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watfly said:
Tennessee Star is not a legitimate news source, neither is social media. The story may or may not be true, but I dont see it being picked up by any established news sources, even those that lean right. Now, that doesn't mean that the guy isn't a bad dude. His domestic abuse incidents appear well documented. However, that still isn't an excuse to ignore due process.

After its all said and done, this issue may reflect more poorly on the Dems than on Trump, given the zeal with which they Dems are pursuing the return of a guy with dubious character at best. Its fascinating who the Dems choice to glorify. It appears they may represent less than 20%. Maybe the Dems are the new 1 percenters!
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The optics of this issue are not good for Dems. Most people conflate the guys character with his right to due process. Maybe he deserves to be deported, maybe not- my understanding is that there was an order withholding deportation after an order of deportation. In any event, the bigger issue is that he is in jail without a trial. The guy has a right to due process before incarceration regardless of whether he's a likable family man or a gang member, much like the Nazis in Skokie had a right to free speech. You know, that democracy and following the Constitution stuff.

Regarding Rachel Morin, I feel bad for the poor mom, but two things can be true at the same time. Some immigrants do commit crimes and the Obrego Garcia guy is entitled to due process. I do find it odd that the same people that put her forward are the same people that have a fit when people want to talk about gun control after kids being massacred at school. They claim to be disgusted for using the families for political purposes and offer “thoughts and prayers.”
 
Squishy said:
The optics of this issue are not good for Dems. Most people conflate the guys character with his right to due process. Maybe he deserves to be deported, maybe not- my understanding is that there was an order withholding deportation after an order of deportation. In any event, the bigger issue is that he is in jail without a trial. The guy has a right to due process before incarceration regardless of whether he's a likable family man or a gang member, much like the Nazis in Skokie had a right to free speech. You know, that democracy and following the Constitution stuff.

Regarding Rachel Morin, I feel bad for the poor mom, but two things can be true at the same time. Some immigrants do commit crimes and the Obrego Garcia guy is entitled to due process. I do find it odd that the same people that put her forward are the same people that have a fit when people want to talk about gun control after kids being massacred at school. They claim to be disgusted for using the families for political purposes and offer “thoughts and prayers.”
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Yes, "rule of law" is a two way street. This guy should have never been in our country in the first place; however, once he is, he is entitled to at least some form of due process. The Justice Department admits it made a mistake, we should correct the mistake, not rationalize it after the fact that it was OK to make that mistake. The proper thing per the rule of law is bring him back, give him a hearing, and then deport him since it sounds like there is plenty of evidence to do so. Domestic violence that warrants a restraining order is plenty of evidence for me to overturn a hold of his deportation. I say this not to favor Garcia, but to maintain our rule of law which is a backbone of our country. (Yeah, yeah, Biden did ignore our rule of law with open borders, but that doesn't make it OK for Trump to not properly vet the deportees). I know this is not likely to happen, but it would be nice if someone finally took the "high road"; instead, of tit for tat extremism.

I will say that Liberals choose a questionable group of characters to rally behind like Floyd, Mangione, Garcia and the anti-Semites. While they demonize people like Musk. It's certainly playing a role in their record low approval ratings.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Again you believe trump. Your view of this guys character based on the trump sides narrative says it all.
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Just a warning to anyone that watches this video, you're gonna need chest waders to protect your self from the bullshit and liberal tears. The dramatic effect was impressive though.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
What did they get wrong?
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When did you become a fan of melodramas?

What they got wrong is that he isn't a threat to anyone. He beat the shit out of his wife which resulted in her being granted a protective order against him. Also the claim that there is no evidence he's a member of MS13. Two judges ruled to the contrary. Do you think a wife beater that is in the country illegally should be allowed remain in our country? If you think he's entitled to due process then were on the same page. Like I said bring him back and give him a hearing.
 
watfly said:
When did you become a fan of melodramas?

What they got wrong is that he isn't a threat to anyone. He beat the shit out of his wife which resulted in her being granted a protective order against him. Also the claim that there is no evidence he's a member of MS13. Two judges ruled to the contrary. Do you think a wife beater that is in the country illegally should be allowed remain in our country? If you think he's entitled to due process then were on the same page. Like I said bring him back and give him a hearing.
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All of that is conjecture. If he is all you claim he is that still isn’t enough to disappear him for life. He can be deported, fine, but do it right. Slippery slope, “we’re looking into deporting, home grown, I call them home grown criminals. We’ll see if we can do that.” Who’s next? Biden? Cheney? The cops from January 6th?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
All of that is conjecture. If he is all you claim he is that still isn’t enough to disappear him for life. He can be deported, fine, but do it right. Slippery slope, “we’re looking into deporting, home grown, I call them home grown criminals. We’ll see if we can do that.” Who’s next? Biden? Cheney? The cops from January 6th?
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It's not conjecture. I've seen the actual documentation and reports. If you had any desire to look and not just follow a narrative just like the fool in the actual conjecture video, you'd know that. Glad you're using the "disappear" term you were told to use, despite the fact he clearly hasn't disappeared. Again try doing your own research sometime instead of just parroting talking points. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're arguing, I agree with "he can be deported, but do it right".
 
pewpew said:


I don't know if you have kids @Hüsker Dü but I know you're a grandpa @espola.
If a story like this doesn't change your mind..I don't know what will.
Just pray something like this never comes to your doorstep.
(That's my biggest fear..not being there to protect one of mine when things go sideways.)
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1. I'm not a grandpa.

2. What in my mind do you think would be changed by this?
 
watfly said:
Ha ha, good question, like k&s says its in the eye of the beholder. However, I know what a non-legitimate source is and its the Tennessee Star which is a right wing propaganda website. Look it up, I did, because the lack of substance and the nature of the article made me suspicious.

We need to all stop relying on social media for news, full stop. Its fine if you want to start there, but cross check with established souces. If you want to know what sources are reliable there are a few bipartisan websites that have accuracy and bias ratings. Most of all use your brain and exercise skepticism regardless of source. Don't be a victim of confirmation bias, which unfortunately seems to be the status quo these days.
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I agree that we should skeptically view claims that we can't personally verify by witnessing acts or reliable documentation such as police records filed, etc. Cross-checking is necessary. However, the only "legitimate" news source you came up with was The Wall Street Journal. That's a lot of responsibility for a single source of news that isn't in any way big enough or even attempts to cover all the news.

It comes down to trust. Who runs the source you used to identify the Tennessee Star as such? Where have they previously worked and what have they previously supported? Who is watching these watchers? To my mind, the legacy media has proven over time that they are propagandists first. However, it can still be useful for me to see what they put out.

Also, "non-legitimate" source sounds logically equivalent to, "trust the experts". Social Media broke the largest-scale government-run censorship network in modern history. Much of the media has still not reported on it because it's not in their best interest. Social media was the source of identifying the issues surrounding the COVID vaccine. When a nation is subject to censorship, Social Media is the only thing that gives people a chance at finding out any truth that those in control do not want known. It asks questions. It allows people to see if others have the same "non-narrative" suspicions. It can force MSM to address issues it would prefer not to address. If we ignore it, we don't get closer to the truth. The most important idea that needs to be remembered if we are to continue as a free and open country is that the answer to "bad information" is better information.
 

Hüsker Dü said:
What does that sad and heartbreaking story have to do with due process, rule of law and the Constitution?
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Indeed. The guy was tried and found guilty by the due process in accordance with the law and the Constitution. He was not snatched off the street and "rendered" to a hellhole outside of US jurisdiction (I believe that usage of "rendered" was invented by the Cheney administration about 20 years ago),
 
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watfly said:
It's not conjecture. I've seen the actual documentation and reports. If you had any desire to look and not just follow a narrative just like the fool in the actual conjecture video, you'd know that. Glad you're using the "disappear" term you were told to use, despite the fact he clearly hasn't disappeared. Again try doing your own research sometime instead of just parroting talking points. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're arguing, I agree with "he can be deported, but do it right".
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Will you please provide the links to "the actual documentation and reports"?
 
crush said:

"This ought to be interesting." General Flynn​



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BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: ADAM SCHIFF IN DEEP SCHIFF TOO – Evidence Shows He Falsely Registered, Ineligibly Voted, and/or Committed Mortgage Fraud​

In April of 2023, we reported that an ethics complaint was filed against corrupt US Rep. Adam Schiff. Today we can report that there is much more to Schiff’s corrupt and even criminal acts.

In April 2023 we reported at The Gateway Pundit that an ethics complaint had been filed against US Rep. Adam Schiff.

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Fudd and Fudder won't believe this, because it didn't some from "Good Housekeeping" or "The Bayou Gazette", but I'm rooting for it to be real.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Apparently disappearing people is just fine with you. A guy 6 years ago claimed a guy who lived in Maryland was a gang member in NYC? Nothing to dispute there. Who needs a constitution? Rule of law or due process? I’m sure you are fine with other countries doing that to American citizens abroad? Like Otto Warmbier?
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What part of 'confirmed MS-13 gang member' has you confused? Perhaps Trump & Co. would be more kind to illegal aliens if you morons hadn't invited 15,000,000 of them here and used our tax dollars to put them up in hotels with full service amenities?
 
espola said:
Indeed. The guy was tried and found guilty by the due process in accordance with the law and the Constitution. He was not snatched off the street and "rendered" to a hellhole outside of US jurisdiction (I believe that usage of "rendered" was invented by the Cheney administration about 20 years ago),
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I don't recall you shedding tears when Obama and Biden violated the Constitution. Do you?
 
watfly said:
Hence why you have to cross check just about everything. Journalism is dead for the most part, but I think there are certainly a few news sources that are more trustworthy than others. I trust a story from the Wall Street Journal.
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I think we shot ourselves in the head going to a 24 hour news cycle. I mean, if you're going to pay me $20M a year to work 1 hour a night, I'll say ANYTHING. Hell... I'd tell you Trump weighs 190 lbs and Biden never had hair plugs.
 
Good Friday 2025

Then the Democrat leaders and their lawyers took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover. So, Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man, Jesus?”

“If he were not a criminal,” they & them replied, “we would not have handed him over to you.”

Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.”

“But Little e and Du Du said, "we have no right to execute anyone,” they both objected. This took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.

Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

“Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”

“Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and the Dem Witches & Warlocks handed you over to me. What is it you have done Jesus?”

Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Democrat leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

“You are a king, then!” said Pilate.

Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

“What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Dems gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him. But it is your custom for me to release to you one killer, rapists, child hunter prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release ‘the king of the Jews’?”

They & Them shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Kilmar!” Now Kilmar was a part of the notorious MS13 gang, that rapes, kidnaps and kill little kids and beat the crap out of women.
 
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