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The only way to get through to Maga is to let it get worse, and then when they see the effects on them they might wake up. I dont follow blindly Coaches or presidents , and always question power.
 
So you're against tariffs but endorsed sending money to 2 wars we're not in... both possibly ending no time soon... and providing homes/resources to the 15,000,000 illegal aliens Biden brought here?

Yeah... you're ALL ABOUT supporting the United States.
When did I endorse sending money to 2 wars, oops you made that up, or providing whatever to "15M" illegals, nope you made that shit up too.

Typically, you spout some crap to deflect and/or change the subject, rather than discuss the post.
 
Trump is leveraging. Bringing manufacturing back doesn't happen, if it happens at all, until his term expires.

Here's what a smidgen of research tells us: For 7 months, the week long trip was in the news. Musk brought them home. That might piss you off... the way it pisses libtards off that DOGE is finding waste and bribes. To the degree they say? Maybe not, but if being dishonest suddenly bothers you... I have to ask why you voted for Biden and tolerated that abortion of an administration for 4-years. All they did was lie.
There are 3 options on the tariffs
1. It's a negotiating position, so manufacturing isn't coming back.
2. It's to bring manufacturing / jobs back to the US, so its not a negotiating position.
3. It's to raise revenue for the government, which ultimately will be paid by Americans through higher prices and jobs are not coming back.

It can't be all 3, or even 2 of the 3. Your position seems to be that Trump and his admin are lying when they say that its about bringing jobs and manufacturing back and you agree with his son (Eric) who says its about negotiating. That's fine. I don't believe crashing the stock market is the way to do that.

You are full of shit on the astronauts. The plan was clearly communicated by NASA and executed on by them, starting on 9/29/24 when the dragon capsule docked with the ISS with only 2 astronauts on board, hence proving 4 seats for the return journey planned for Feb25, and then moved to Mar25. Those are the facts, which you seem to have a problem with, not me.

As for the DOGE findings, why would I have an issue with finding waste & bribes. I think we should reset the budget to 2018 - which I've stated on this thread. That would reduce gov spending by approx. $1.5T annually at the stroke of a pen, then see what maybe goes back in.
 
What the fuck is he talking about! Tariffs are paid for by individual Americans via price increases. Now, it could be that some US companies will absorb some of the tariff, but why would they? Trying to compare tariffs with corporate taxes is just stupidity. Oh hang on, let's just try to deflect 'cos I can't give any coherent logical or sensible answer to anyone on the tariffs.

Corporations are not exactly hurting, are they - according to the US Bureau of Economic Analysis US corporate profits for 2024 were at $4T. That would be the highest ever.
 
What the fuck is he talking about! Tariffs are paid for by individual Americans via price increases. Now, it could be that some US companies will absorb some of the tariff, but why would they? Trying to compare tariffs with corporate taxes is just stupidity. Oh hang on, let's just try to deflect 'cos I can't give any coherent logical or sensible answer to anyone on the tariffs.

Corporations are not exactly hurting, are they - according to the US Bureau of Economic Analysis US corporate profits for 2024 were at $4T. That would be the highest ever.
Well, he owns the libs on CNN daily, and you have “discovered” the reason. Whatever happened to the intelligent, well-spoken Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard and Nicole Shanahan? Oh right. They can’t afford to have leaders that think for themselves. Instead they push morons out front like Harris, AOC, and Crockett. The commentators on legacy media are of the same ilk - woke stooges incapable of thinking on their feet and poorly educated in many areas they discuss. You’d do much better. But, again, they can’t afford to put you in there because you are willing and able to engage in critical thinking and might say something that wasn’t approved. What we are seeing is the price the authoritarian left is paying. I mean there’s THAT, and government censorship, and foreign policy failures, and outrageous corruption, etc.

There’s no doubt we’ve been getting screwed with the tariffs (see my previous link to the Shellenberger interview for a perspective of how we got to where we are and why it’s not a good place). For policy initiatives, the stated intent and the reality that follows rarely lines up. Californians know this better than anyone. Whatever happens next, it won’t be boring.

Why do I have the feeling the 50% of Americans that don’t own stock might be experiencing a bit of schadenfreude with the market tanking similar to leftists watching Tesla’s burn.
 
There are 3 options on the tariffs
1. It's a negotiating position, so manufacturing isn't coming back.
2. It's to bring manufacturing / jobs back to the US, so its not a negotiating position.
3. It's to raise revenue for the government, which ultimately will be paid by Americans through higher prices and jobs are not coming back.

It can't be all 3, or even 2 of the 3. Your position seems to be that Trump and his admin are lying when they say that its about bringing jobs and manufacturing back and you agree with his son (Eric) who says its about negotiating. That's fine. I don't believe crashing the stock market is the way to do that.

You are full of shit on the astronauts. The plan was clearly communicated by NASA and executed on by them, starting on 9/29/24 when the dragon capsule docked with the ISS with only 2 astronauts on board, hence proving 4 seats for the return journey planned for Feb25, and then moved to Mar25. Those are the facts, which you seem to have a problem with, not me.

As for the DOGE findings, why would I have an issue with finding waste & bribes. I think we should reset the budget to 2018 - which I've stated on this thread. That would reduce gov spending by approx. $1.5T annually at the stroke of a pen, then see what maybe goes back in.
More precisely stated, "There are 3 options on a tariff". So if you have 3 different tariffs, they could address all 3.

Musk claims Biden refused his offer to get the astronauts sooner. Am I missing something here? Or, is the claim that Musk is lying?

 
What the fuck is he talking about! Tariffs are paid for by individual Americans via price increases. Now, it could be that some US companies will absorb some of the tariff, but why would they? Trying to compare tariffs with corporate taxes is just stupidity. Oh hang on, let's just try to deflect 'cos I can't give any coherent logical or sensible answer to anyone on the tariffs.

Corporations are not exactly hurting, are they - according to the US Bureau of Economic Analysis US corporate profits for 2024 were at $4T. That would be the highest ever.
At the moment it seems republicans that are trying to stay with Trump are either deflecting with nonsense or laughing at peoples concerns or a combo thereof. Either way they are, as we already know, not serious people.
 
More precisely stated, "There are 3 options on a tariff". So if you have 3 different tariffs, they could address all 3.

Musk claims Biden refused his offer to get the astronauts sooner. Am I missing something here? Or, is the claim that Musk is lying?

There aren't different tariffs, there are % on everything with specific exceptions, i.e. it is not surgical, its stupid. Take the extreme example, Lesotho, which has the highest % tariff rate. Why? Its as piss poor of a country as you are going to find, it has a life expectancy of like 45 years (or something). We can't produce anything cheap enough that they could afford, but we'll take their diamonds and the clothes they make and now charge a 50% tariff on the $238M of imports, ffs!

What exactly was Biden's political upside in leaving the astronauts on the ISS? NASA planned it all, and you can get an explanation online as to the why's.
 
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