Surf cup throws in the towel...well kind of!

dad4 said:
Can’t even do that when everything is stay and pay.

Be glad it’s 12 hours round trip. It’s 12 hours one way for the norcal teams.
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It also made a “little” bit is sense for an older team if you were making a long trip because a college scout was going to be there.
No scouts allowed until sometime in 2021 (for d1)
 
dad4 said:
Burnout? Even if they play a tournament every month, they still end the year with around 9 to 12 games.

Most likely, they’ll cut way back whenever league play returns. League + state cup + monthly tournament would be insane.
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With the population of CA, especially SOCAL, why are 10 and 11 year old players traveling more than 2 hrs to play a soccer game? I know not every zip code is equal in population density. I get it as players get older, the "more skilled" population shrinks.
 
happy9 said:
With the population of CA, especially SOCAL, why are 10 and 11 year old players traveling more than 2 hrs to play a soccer game? I know not every zip code is equal in population density. I get it as players get older, the "more skilled" population shrinks.
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(why would youngers travel long distances)

For norcal, there just aren’t that many top teams. For 2010, it is MVLA, Mustangs, San Juan, Blues FC, Rage, Ajax, Clovis, Odyssey, Clippers, Fusion, Orange. Below that, you start getting into serious blowout territory.

Which leaves you with 3 options if you don’t want to always play the same 10 teams. You can play 2009, you can play against boys, or you can travel beyond norcal.
 
dad4 said:
(why would youngers travel long distances)

For norcal, there just aren’t that many top teams. For 2010, it is MVLA, Mustangs, San Juan, Blues FC, Rage, Ajax, Clovis, Odyssey, Clippers, Fusion, Orange. Below that, you start getting into serious blowout territory.

Which leaves you with 3 options if you don’t want to always play the same 10 teams. You can play 2009, you can play against boys, or you can travel beyond norcal.
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Some will call me crazy- but heres an idea- let’s not create super teams of 10 year olds. Instead of having a roster of the 16 best players within 50 miles- spread those players among a few other teams.
 
timbuck said:
Some will call me crazy- but heres an idea- let’s not create super teams of 10 year olds. Instead of having a roster of the 16 best players within 50 miles- spread those players among a few other teams.
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I don’t think any of those teams draw from a 50 mile radius. More like 10.

You could break them up into different teams. But they want to practice against each other. They’d all migrate to the same team again anyway. Norcal just doesn’t have more than about 100-150 top level players in any one year.
 
timbuck said:
Some will call me crazy- but heres an idea- let’s not create super teams of 10 year olds. Instead of having a roster of the 16 best players within 50 miles- spread those players among a few other teams.
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Sorry, but IMHO this is awful idea with recreational mentality behind it. Best players need to play with best players. Besides that they must have the best coach. Period.
 
Eagle33 said:
Sorry, but IMHO this is awful idea with recreational mentality behind it. Best players need to play with best players. Besides that they must have the best coach. Period.
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I don’t disagree with this statement. My quote is based on people saying they need to travel 12 hours to get a competitive game. For 10 year olds.
(And are they the “best” coaches or the best aggregators of talent / athletic kids)
 
timbuck said:
I don’t disagree with this statement. My quote is based on people saying they need to travel 12 hours to get a competitive game. For 10 year olds.
(And are they the “best” coaches or the best aggregators of talent / athletic kids)
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Right now you have no choice but to travel somewhere to play. It is what it is. So if someone decides to travel, why would you not want to be on a best team possible? You probably know that way home could be a lot longer after a loss :)
 
timbuck said:
I don’t disagree with this statement. My quote is based on people saying they need to travel 12 hours to get a competitive game. For 10 year olds.
(And are they the “best” coaches or the best aggregators of talent / athletic kids)
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In today’s California, this is what you have to do. Can’t play competitive games “legally” so you have to travel 12 hours to a state that will let you.

That is the ridiculousness we are dealing with.
 
Why can't they waive the stay and play rules of these out of state tournaments that are benifiting from the screwed up situation in California by getting all these teams to come to their state to play in the tournament that they normally wouldn't be. Why must we also have to stay in their overpriced hotels. I don't like the stay and play even under normal circumstances but under these circumstances it's pretty much B.S. Especially Surf Cup in Arizona but even the tiny little cactus cup and turkey cup that normally have zero out of state teams now getting a lot are stay and play. What if I want to stay in Uncle Eddie's desert trailer for free?
 
ToonArmy said:
Why can't they waive the stay and play rules of these out of state tournaments that are benifiting from the screwed up situation in California by getting all these teams to come to their state to play in the tournament that they normally wouldn't be. Why must we also have to stay in their overpriced hotels. I don't like the stay and play even under normal circumstances but under these circumstances it's pretty much B.S. Especially Surf Cup in Arizona but even the tiny little cactus cup and turkey cup that normally have zero out of state teams now getting a lot are stay and play. What if I want to stay in Uncle Eddie's desert trailer for free?
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I'm sure if you want to stay at Uncle Eddie's, it will be just fine. The whole team don't have to stay and play - only number of people.
 
ToonArmy said:
Why can't they waive the stay and play rules of these out of state tournaments that are benifiting from the screwed up situation in California by getting all these teams to come to their state to play in the tournament that they normally wouldn't be. Why must we also have to stay in their overpriced hotels. I don't like the stay and play even under normal circumstances but under these circumstances it's pretty much B.S. Especially Surf Cup in Arizona but even the tiny little cactus cup and turkey cup that normally have zero out of state teams now getting a lot are stay and play. What if I want to stay in Uncle Eddie's desert trailer for free?
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Why? Because we’ve spent the last 20 years making AZ teams stay in overpriced hotels at our tournaments.

I agree it is BS, but CA clubs have no right to complain about it. I’ll fork over my credit card and thank them for letting my kid play on their fields.
 
dad4 said:
Why? Because we’ve spent the last 20 years making AZ teams stay in overpriced hotels at our tournaments.

I agree it is BS, but CA clubs have no right to complain about it. I’ll fork over my credit card and thank them for letting my kid play on their fields.
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So true....sad, but true.

Only the ones who don’t host Stay and Play Tournaments can complain (LOL).
 
ToonArmy said:
Why can't they waive the stay and play rules of these out of state tournaments that are benifiting from the screwed up situation in California by getting all these teams to come to their state to play in the tournament that they normally wouldn't be. Why must we also have to stay in their overpriced hotels. I don't like the stay and play even under normal circumstances but under these circumstances it's pretty much B.S. Especially Surf Cup in Arizona but even the tiny little cactus cup and turkey cup that normally have zero out of state teams now getting a lot are stay and play. What if I want to stay in Uncle Eddie's desert trailer for free?
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This is what me and my little family have to do now to save a buck. We can;t afford $500-$1,000 a week for soccer in AZ and NV. We stay with the Cactus at night and i hold my wife as we stair at stars & planets together.

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ToonArmy said:
Why can't they waive the stay and play rules of these out of state tournaments that are benifiting from the screwed up situation in California by getting all these teams to come to their state to play in the tournament that they normally wouldn't be. Why must we also have to stay in their overpriced hotels. I don't like the stay and play even under normal circumstances but under these circumstances it's pretty much B.S. Especially Surf Cup in Arizona but even the tiny little cactus cup and turkey cup that normally have zero out of state teams now getting a lot are stay and play. What if I want to stay in Uncle Eddie's desert trailer for free?
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Stay and Play in Utah, Nevada, and Arizona is $100-$150 a night. Compare that to the San Diego County hotels that run $200-$300, we are getting off cheap.
 
ToonArmy said:
Why can't they waive the stay and play rules of these out of state tournaments that are benifiting from the screwed up situation in California by getting all these teams to come to their state to play in the tournament that they normally wouldn't be. Why must we also have to stay in their overpriced hotels. I don't like the stay and play even under normal circumstances but under these circumstances it's pretty much B.S. Especially Surf Cup in Arizona but even the tiny little cactus cup and turkey cup that normally have zero out of state teams now getting a lot are stay and play. What if I want to stay in Uncle Eddie's desert trailer for free?
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If they drop the stay and play rules, why would they want to put on the tournament at all?
 
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