State Cup $$ Grab Continues

coachrefparent said:
Olders pay the same reg fee as youngers, but only get a round of 32 after pool play. What a rip-off.
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Just go look at the number of teams participating in olders versus youngers.

If you have a round of 64, you'll have more than a majority of the teams in the playoffs - rather mute point.
 
MWN said:
I'm surprised as a ref you don't see why. The younger games are on smaller fields and shorter minutes. Thus, the field fees and referee fees are less per game. The referee fees for 7v7 are even less because of 1 referee at the earlier rounds. The olders are on full sized fields and longer games, thus, the field fees are more expensive and referee fees are more. There are fewer games because there are fewer older teams compared to their younger counterparts.
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As others noted, the referee fees are entirely separate and paid by the teams for each game. I get that more field space is needed, but skipping an entire round is crazy. I'd rather pay more and get the round of 64.

And no it has nothing to do with the # of teams. Some examples in presidents:
B05: 110 teams, 64 teams advance (58%), 1st and 2nd + 2 WCs
B04: 98 teams, 64 teams advance (65%), 1st and 2nd + 8 WCs

B03: 102 teams, 32 teams advance(31%), 1st place + 6 wild cards
G03: 91 teams, 32 teams advance(35%), 1st place + 9 wild cards

Oh, and they don't tell you whether its round of 32 or 64 till months after you pay. Only a third advance through pool play (pretty much the bracket winners?) But I guess by reading all the comments, this a great tournament structure.
 
coachrefparent said:
Not moot at all. The youngers have roughly 60% advancing. How's that for mute.
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Sorry you are right. I checked but first the numbers didn't add up. Then I realized I was looking at the National Cup and not the State Cup Presidents. When I noticed the thread subject, my mind automatically when to the National Cup, even though it clearly states State Cup. We've never experienced State Cup as olders.

All that said, if you think about it, to get to the final, you play 3 pool games plus 6 additional games, before the Regionals, if R64. That's nine games - almost as much as the fall season, in a much shorter period.

Sounds like you like more games. Frankly, for me, I rather see the playoffs go straight to round of 16, and cut down the number of games required to get to the final. So not having R64 is more than just fine - its preferred.

Btw, thanks for taking the time and making a point to correct mute versus moot. We all can use education in how we use the language, especially on a community forum like this one. I feel much more confident in the use of the term and feel better now.... But saying this is a moot point isn't it.
 
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original805 said:
We just won Presidents this year and Cal South is giving the team 6000.00 to go to Utah for Regionals. The thing that stinks is you cannot priceline your own hotels or you will have to pay the company booking the hotels 1500. Most of the hotels that are reasonable are already sold out. I found the same hotel on priceline that was 50 dollars a night cheaper.
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The USYS travel folks will do you no favors. We attended Far West in Boise back to back years. First year lodging was $150 (one to two star properties) to $280 (two to three star properties) per night. The following year $205 to $340 per night. CalSouth did kick in $5500 first year then $6000 for the second. Split that $6k by 18 players, best case it covers ~1.5 nights lodging. Parents will still be covering food, rental car, flights, remaining hotel, etc plus a portion of all of these for the coach. Bottom line is they have you by the stones and will extract as much $$$ as possible at every turn. And as stated above if you win Presidents or National Cup vs CRL your choices will be very limited so be prepared to pay on the upper end.
 
For regional and national competitions past State/National Cups, betweem USYS and the club should be the ones footing the travel/lodging bill.

1. The regional and national competitions are actually good for the sport and it gives teams some sort of meaning to their meaningless rec season at the end. So its not in the best interest for USYS to not foot the bill specially when they can get good corporate sponsors to pony up some good cash!

2. There are 2 type of clubs that send teams to regionals/national competitions which are the perennial big box clubs (The clubs with millions in the bank account reserved exclusively to pay for tracksuit wearing used car salesmen directors) and the small club that got lucky their talent hasn't been poached by the tracksuit clubs and made it there, but their bank accounts are not that deep at all. For the big box clubs is in their best interest to foot the bill, because it shows the customer (Parents) that the club is using some change to rewards the teams that are actually bringing some sort of prestige(Sales pitch) to the club. Now the small guy can use that tournament profit, fundraise and create awareness that their club can compete with the almighty forces of the big clubs, and get some sort of prestige.

Lastly that's utopian thinking because most of these tracksuit people don't think ahead of themselves, and small club leadership, well they are what they are.
 
GoWest said:
When / where do 'they' post schedule for SoCal National Cup play?
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The olders (U15 up) National Cup schedule is supposed to come out "Mid-March" and will be here:
https://cysa.affinitysoccer.com/tou...4F0702-55DD-40C8-BC6E-4D9DB992AE18&show=girls

The youngers (U14 down) National Cup is almost over and is posted here:
https://cysa.affinitysoccer.com/tou...336501-E4EB-43DD-8288-B1577107F046&show=girls

The Cal South State Tournaments (including Nat. Cup) can be accessed here:
http://www.calsouth.com/en/state-tournaments/
 
coachsamy said:
For regional and national competitions past State/National Cups, betweem USYS and the club should be the ones footing the travel/lodging bill.

1. The regional and national competitions are actually good for the sport and it gives teams some sort of meaning to their meaningless rec season at the end. So its not in the best interest for USYS to not foot the bill specially when they can get good corporate sponsors to pony up some good cash!

2. There are 2 type of clubs that send teams to regionals/national competitions which are the perennial big box clubs (The clubs with millions in the bank account reserved exclusively to pay for tracksuit wearing used car salesmen directors) and the small club that got lucky their talent hasn't been poached by the tracksuit clubs and made it there, but their bank accounts are not that deep at all. For the big box clubs is in their best interest to foot the bill, because it shows the customer (Parents) that the club is using some change to rewards the teams that are actually bringing some sort of prestige(Sales pitch) to the club. Now the small guy can use that tournament profit, fundraise and create awareness that their club can compete with the almighty forces of the big clubs, and get some sort of prestige.

Lastly that's utopian thinking because most of these tracksuit people don't think ahead of themselves, and small club leadership, well they are what they are.
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I missed the linkage where the small club "tournament profit" appeared.
 
doubled said:
The USYS travel folks will do you no favors. We attended Far West in Boise back to back years. First year lodging was $150 (one to two star properties) to $280 (two to three star properties) per night. The following year $205 to $340 per night. CalSouth did kick in $5500 first year then $6000 for the second. Split that $6k by 18 players, best case it covers ~1.5 nights lodging. Parents will still be covering food, rental car, flights, remaining hotel, etc plus a portion of all of these for the coach. Bottom line is they have you by the stones and will extract as much $$$ as possible at every turn. And as stated above if you win Presidents or National Cup vs CRL your choices will be very limited so be prepared to pay on the upper end.
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I agree with you 100%. I guarantee that cal south is covering every cal south board member that is going 100 percent.
 
espola said:
I missed the linkage where the small club "tournament profit" appeared.
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The small club runs tournaments just like anybody else, that they are not that "prestigious" doesn't mean that profits are coming in, might as well do some investment of that profit whenever the opportunity rises to market to the gullible ulittle parents.
 
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