Some data on Covid-19 and why we're not over reacting...

MSK357 said:
So I guess its not incomprehensible nonsense after all eh messy? Correct me if I am wrong Imtired but this wasn't uniform across the country, then or now. It just looks like New York is taking it to another level. They've tested way more than the rest of the country when we were supposedly in a shortage. It doesn't look like they were going by the same criteria for tests as the rest of the country. Even when San Francisco and Washington were bigger hotspots when this virus first spread in the U.S.
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How do you know that the deaths from heart attack/stroke AREN'T related to COVID-19? Any stress on the body is going to exacerbate underlying conditions. So I'm not sure what your point is on the numbers being exaggerated because we simply can't know. If someone tests positive for COVID-19 and dies from a heart attack, then it very well be COVID-19 that was the root cause.

Regardless, even if you divide total deaths by a third, if we hit 100,000 we will be well over the mark of 12,000 deaths by 7/31.
 
Imtired said:
How do you know that the deaths from heart attack/stroke AREN'T related to COVID-19? Any stress on the body is going to exacerbate underlying conditions. So I'm not sure what your point is on the numbers being exaggerated because we simply can't know. If someone tests positive for COVID-19 and dies from a heart attack, then it very well be COVID-19 that was the root cause.

Regardless, even if you divide total deaths by a third, if we hit 100,000 we will be well over the mark of 12,000 deaths by 7/31.
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That's the point, we don't know if COVID 19 exacerbated the underlying conditions. especially if they were asymptomatic for the virus. So to count that as a death due to the virus is inaccurate. It works both ways. New York makes up close to half the confirmed cases and deaths alone. That is a statistical anomaly for 1 state It is not the only densely populated state in the country. They are counting and testing people vastly different than other major cities to get those numbers. But whatever. this forum has become so far from why I was on this in the first place. we are going over the same arguments and talking points over and over again. I am really not bored enough to do that. Ill be back when soccer season starts up or 7/31 which ever comes first. Until then ill be outside working and enjoying life. 6 feet of course, except when we all crowd the grocery stores and parks.
 
MSK357 said:
That's the point, we don't know if COVID 19 exacerbated the underlying conditions. especially if they were asymptomatic for the virus. So to count that as a death due to the virus is inaccurate. It works both ways. New York makes up close to half the confirmed cases and deaths alone. That is a statistical anomaly for 1 state It is not the only densely populated state in the country. They are counting and testing people vastly different than other major cities to get those numbers. But whatever. this forum has become so far from why I was on this in the first place. we are going over the same arguments and talking points over and over again. I am really not bored enough to do that. Ill be back when soccer season starts up or 7/31 which ever comes first. Until then ill be outside working and enjoying life. 6 feet of course, except when we all crowd the grocery stores and parks.
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We don't know if Swine Flu exacerbated underlying conditionseither. Your post was to "bump you" in a year of coronavirus turned out to be worse than the Swine Flu. You are now saying that when you said this you weren't counting on states counting deaths that may or may not been due to COVID-19. Well, the same goes for the Swine Flu. So if both use the same criteria for counting deaths then if COVID-19 ends up with a higher death rate than Swine Flu, it is worse than Swine Flu (based on your own criteria):

espola said:
You're babbling. You would apply for a job in the White House.
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I'm not lying, you think the coronavirus is worse than the swine flu and seasonal flu. Lets see. "bump" me in a year. We're going in circles as the fatality rate, projected infected, and projected killed numbers continue to drop.

Some data on Covid-19 and why we're not over reacting...

Although I tend to agree with you, you have ended up on the wrong side of the bet. I pray the troll wins in this case . . . first time for everything. Maybe I was right all along? Winning that bet would help prove my case. No excuses please.
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To me I couldn't give a rat's ass which one turns out to be "worse". I prefer to focus on what the h*ll we do right here and now.
 
Imtired said:
We don't know if Swine Flu exacerbated underlying conditionseither. Your post was to "bump you" in a year of coronavirus turned out to be worse than the Swine Flu. You are now saying that when you said this you weren't counting on states counting deaths that may or may not been due to COVID-19. Well, the same goes for the Swine Flu. So if both use the same criteria for counting deaths then if COVID-19 ends up with a higher death rate than Swine Flu, it is worse than Swine Flu (based on your own criteria):


I'm not lying, you think the coronavirus is worse than the swine flu and seasonal flu. Lets see. "bump" me in a year. We're going in circles as the fatality rate, projected infected, and projected killed numbers continue to drop.

Some data on Covid-19 and why we're not over reacting...

Although I tend to agree with you, you have ended up on the wrong side of the bet. I pray the troll wins in this case . . . first time for everything. Maybe I was right all along? Winning that bet would help prove my case. No excuses please.
www.socalsoccer.com www.socalsoccer.com

To me I couldn't give a rat's ass which one turns out to be "worse". I prefer to focus on what the h*ll we do right here and now.
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I don't know if you read my earlier comment, but Swine flu was not lumped in with other underlying conditions to the extent of coronavirus. Swine flu actually wasn't even considered a national emergency until October since the first case wasn't until april after peak virus season. If they lumped in swine flu as the death count, It would have happened after October. Coronavirus numbers are being inflated especially by new York. They have had hospital shortages for years and this is a opportunity to "not let a crisis go to waste".

We as a nation have actually had a dip in flu/pneumonia hospitalizations during these peak months. Strangely enough during the same time and coronavirus numbers are have gone up. Are we just replacing flu numbers with coronavirus numbers? or are people dying of coronavirus that would have died from the flu? Then you go to New York where the leading cause of death has nothing to do with going outside and those numbers are dropping as well. (Heart disease, Obesity, etc.). Are they replacing these deaths with coronavirus deaths? Even your own post says this is a possibility, and conveniently for alarmists we will never know if the virus was what caused them to die or not.

my source

National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Surveillance System

gis.cdc.gov gis.cdc.gov
 
MSK357 said:
That's the point, we don't know if COVID 19 exacerbated the underlying conditions. especially if they were asymptomatic for the virus. So to count that as a death due to the virus is inaccurate. It works both ways. New York makes up close to half the confirmed cases and deaths alone. That is a statistical anomaly for 1 state It is not the only densely populated state in the country. They are counting and testing people vastly different than other major cities to get those numbers. But whatever. this forum has become so far from why I was on this in the first place. we are going over the same arguments and talking points over and over again. I am really not bored enough to do that. Ill be back when soccer season starts up or 7/31 which ever comes first. Until then ill be outside working and enjoying life. 6 feet of course, except when we all crowd the grocery stores and parks.
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Tick, tick, tick.
Listen, if you've decided to jump off the stupid train and onto the crazy train by arguing that you don't accept any death numbers, then I can't stop you.
That just makes you cuckoo like nono.
 
messy said:
When you were just plain wrong, I ensured your imminent departure with our bet.
Now you are blathering incomprehensible nonsense after I sent you Trump's quote about 100,000+ deaths...not worthy of a response.
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You know the next thing will be how many undocumented aliens were in the count as they aren't "Americans". He'll say 120,000 of the 121,000 were "illegals".
 
MSK357 said:
I don't know if you read my earlier comment, but Swine flu was not lumped in with other underlying conditions to the extent of coronavirus. Swine flu actually wasn't even considered a national emergency until October since the first case wasn't until april after peak virus season. If they lumped in swine flu as the death count, It would have happened after October. Coronavirus numbers are being inflated especially by new York. They have had hospital shortages for years and this is a opportunity to "not let a crisis go to waste".

We as a nation have actually had a dip in flu/pneumonia hospitalizations during these peak months. Strangely enough during the same time and coronavirus numbers are have gone up. Are we just replacing flu numbers with coronavirus numbers? or are people dying of coronavirus that would have died from the flu? Then you go to New York where the leading cause of death has nothing to do with going outside and those numbers are dropping as well. (Heart disease, Obesity, etc.). Are they replacing these deaths with coronavirus deaths? Even your own post says this is a possibility, and conveniently for alarmists we will never know if the virus was what caused them to die or not.

my source

National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Surveillance System

gis.cdc.gov gis.cdc.gov
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Here's an interesting graph on the differences between Coronavirus infections and Swine Flu:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1244432375825797122
 
MSK357 said:
I don't know if you read my earlier comment, but Swine flu was not lumped in with other underlying conditions to the extent of coronavirus. Swine flu actually wasn't even considered a national emergency until October since the first case wasn't until april after peak virus season. If they lumped in swine flu as the death count, It would have happened after October. Coronavirus numbers are being inflated especially by new York. They have had hospital shortages for years and this is a opportunity to "not let a crisis go to waste".

We as a nation have actually had a dip in flu/pneumonia hospitalizations during these peak months. Strangely enough during the same time and coronavirus numbers are have gone up. Are we just replacing flu numbers with coronavirus numbers? or are people dying of coronavirus that would have died from the flu? Then you go to New York where the leading cause of death has nothing to do with going outside and those numbers are dropping as well. (Heart disease, Obesity, etc.). Are they replacing these deaths with coronavirus deaths? Even your own post says this is a possibility, and conveniently for alarmists we will never know if the virus was what caused them to die or not.

my source

National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Surveillance System

gis.cdc.gov gis.cdc.gov
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Well, all I can say is the death rate is frightening and there is no way we can slough it off as heart disease, obesity, etc. being the cause for the majority. To look at the death rates and infection rates that are doubling every day, this is not the flu.
 
messy said:
Tick, tick, tick.
Listen, if you've decided to jump off the stupid train and onto the crazy train by arguing that you don't accept any death numbers, then I can't stop you.
That just makes you cuckoo like nono.
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Cuckoo like nono? He twists himself in knots to make excuses for and champion trumps actions, enough said. Lying troll like trump himself. One must be quite desperate to "be apart of something" to hitch your wagon to the trump train and ignore all that is on that train.
 
Imtired said:
Well, all I can say is the death rate is frightening and there is no way we can slough it off as heart disease, obesity, etc. being the cause for the majority. To look at the death rates and infection rates that are doubling every day, this is not the flu.
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Technically we are all born with a pre-existing condition, we are human. Fragile, with a 100% guarantee to eventually die. As Morrison said, "No one gets out alive". Hence all deaths are excusable and can be blamed on that condition.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You know the next thing will be how many undocumented aliens were in the count as they aren't "Americans". He'll say 120,000 of the 121,000 were "illegals".
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Relax... your hero, the waitress, wants to make sure all ILLEGAL ALIENS, sorry... "immigrants" get free money, too. And you morons REALLY can't understand why Trump was elected and will get re-elected. Are there any other countries you think the United States taxpayer should support financially? I mean... this only includes law breakers.

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Imtired said:
Well, all I can say is the death rate is frightening and there is no way we can slough it off as heart disease, obesity, etc. being the cause for the majority. To look at the death rates and infection rates that are doubling every day, this is not the flu.
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you missed the part where the graph for this years peak flu months are inverted. This flu season was supposed to be one of our bad ones, yet we took a dip during our peak months. This is in addition to the dip in other leading cause of death especially in new York.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You know the next thing will be how many undocumented aliens were in the count as they aren't "Americans". He'll say 120,000 of the 121,000 were "illegals".
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that wouldn't happen, they put a travel ban on us and are protecting the border.....those racists...right leftists? isn't that racist? how dare they protect their border.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You know the next thing will be how many undocumented aliens were in the count as they aren't "Americans". He'll say 120,000 of the 121,000 were "illegals".
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Illegal invaders don’t count because they are not here.
Throw them back over the great big beautiful wall.
 
messy said:
Tick, tick, tick.
Listen, if you've decided to jump off the stupid train and onto the crazy train by arguing that you don't accept any death numbers, then I can't stop you.
That just makes you cuckoo like nono.
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Why are you letting this guy get to you?
It’s not like you to let someone get under your thin skin.
 
How about every time an AC tech goes out on a call he condemns the whole unit and blames it on a
plugged filter.....That's what they are doing with the COVID019 scam......
Nice way to run a business.....
Yep...every death that tests positive for COVID-19 even though the underlying conditions were
the cause...tally it up to the " Chinese " Virus...
You Liberals are complete Idiots.....
 
nononono said:
How about every time an AC tech goes out on a call he condemns the whole unit and blames it on a
plugged filter.....That's what they are doing with the COVID019 scam......
Nice way to run a business.....
Yep...every death that tests positive for COVID-19 even though the underlying conditions were
the cause...tally it up to the " Chinese " Virus...
You Liberals are complete Idiots.....
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OBVI
 
MSK357 said:
you missed the part where the graph for this years peak flu months are inverted. This flu season was supposed to be one of our bad ones, yet we took a dip during our peak months. This is in addition to the dip in other leading cause of death especially in new York.
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Hey look Dumb S K! You got company! When idiots don't listen to doctors...

The study, “Pandemic Politics: Timing State-Level Social Distancing Responses to COVID-19” — by political science professors and a health metrics researcher from the University of Washington — found that red states or states with Republican governors instituted social distancing policies an average of nearly three days later than blue states did.

“Our findings are unambiguous: political variables are the strongest predictor of the early adoption of social distancing policies,” the study stated. “All else equal, states with Republican governors and Republican electorates delayed each social distancing measure by an average of 2.70 days ... a far larger effect than any other factor, including state income per capita, the percentage of neighboring states with mandates, or even confirmed cases in each state.”

While the gap may initially appear to be small, the difference could translate into a significant number of human lives with a disease that can spread explosively in a single day. The researchers noted the different outcomes in American cities during the 1918 influenza pandemic depending on how they responded: Stricter social distancing policies resulted in a fraction of the lives lost compared to places where policies were looser.
 
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messy said:
Hey look Dumb S K! You got company! When idiots don't listen to doctors...

The study, “Pandemic Politics: Timing State-Level Social Distancing Responses to COVID-19” — by political science professors and a health metrics researcher from the University of Washington — found that red states or states with Republican governors instituted social distancing policies an average of nearly three days later than blue states did.

“Our findings are unambiguous: political variables are the strongest predictor of the early adoption of social distancing policies,” the study stated. “All else equal, states with Republican governors and Republican electorates delayed each social distancing measure by an average of 2.70 days ... a far larger effect than any other factor, including state income per capita, the percentage of neighboring states with mandates, or even confirmed cases in each state.”

While the gap may initially appear to be small, the difference could translate into a significant number of human lives with a disease that can spread explosively in a single day. The researchers noted the different outcomes in American cities during the 1918 influenza pandemic depending on how they responded: Stricter social distancing policies resulted in a fraction of the lives lost compared to places where policies were looser.
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Dumb SK? Have you ever thought they "delayed social distancing" in red states because the severity of deaths are predominately in blue states? Context matters genius. you are seriously trying to compare red and blue states when a blue state like new York accounts for nearly half the confirmed cases and deaths in the U.S. lol you are a bigger idiot than I thought, and that says a lot.
 
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