RedDevil24
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No. Only SOCAL affialted league ie Socal, NPL.
Which might be a way to skirt the rules when you think about it. Hey lets advertise a GA/DPL tryout and then recruit any players not at the level for our Socal teams.
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Which might be a way to skirt the rules when you think about it. Hey lets advertise a GA/DPL tryout and then recruit any players not at the level for our Socal teams.
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Those are different leagues, with different rules, and different timelines of league play and events. SOCAL has no jurisdiction over those teams/players who are not registered as SOCAL Players. The tryout rules and windows for those leagues are more restricted and watched than SOCAL for sure. If a SOCAL Player is interested in an EA or ECNL team, that player does not need to wait for a tryout date, they can reach out as an individual player at anytime and go practice/tryout with the team. In fact, the SOCAL Player can do the same with any SOCAL team; if the player decides they want to switch clubs, they have to be paid in full for the season to the club they are leaving, then request a transfer through SOCAL. If you transfer clubs between the tryout date and 01 July, you do not have to be paid in full. You can leave SOCAL at any time to play GA, EA, ECNL, MLS because SOCAL has no authority over those leagues. The Tryout rules apply to the club, coach, and team, not the individual player.
So what are the loopholes here? Open trainings? ID Events? I mean Eagles having tryouts in January 
.. all of this was pulled on Instagram today..
From the SoCal website:
2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 - Tryouts may begin NO SOONER than Monday, February 13, 2023
Pay attention to the dates below (Some are looking in November):
.. all of this was pulled on Instagram today..From the SoCal website:
2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 - Tryouts may begin NO SOONER than Monday, February 13, 2023
Pay attention to the dates below (Some are looking in November):
Sporting California and Eagles are both in Ventura, Coast (at least they were fall season). So the SoCal League rules wouldn't apply to them. TFA seems to be the affiliates....don't know about them.
aong cangkol
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Since the end of Fall season, clubs have had open tryouts for ECNL, DPL, GA, EA, EA2. They will not sign players for SOCAL leagues but verbally told parents that the offer will come after the Feb 13 date. Clubs definitely use this loophole to recruit players and technically conforms with the rule.
Another way is to give out coaches contact info. If a player/parent showed up to practice and did not disclose their club affiliations, then technically it is within the rule as well. The coach is not required to do "background check"
on a player and there is no rule saying a player will be "banned" from SOCAL league for training with other team.
Thanksgiving camp, holiday camp, and any other camps are 100% legal way to recruits as long as there is no contract offer.
It is possible that this club has been signing official contract agreement with players from other SOCAL club (signing up AYSO or other non-SOCAL is fine) and some parents leaked out that info. Other clubs found the evidence and SOCAL has to make a decision.
Another way is to give out coaches contact info. If a player/parent showed up to practice and did not disclose their club affiliations, then technically it is within the rule as well. The coach is not required to do "background check"
on a player and there is no rule saying a player will be "banned" from SOCAL league for training with other team.Thanksgiving camp, holiday camp, and any other camps are 100% legal way to recruits as long as there is no contract offer.
It is possible that this club has been signing official contract agreement with players from other SOCAL club (signing up AYSO or other non-SOCAL is fine) and some parents leaked out that info. Other clubs found the evidence and SOCAL has to make a decision.
I’m trying to understand the difference between an out of season tryout (Socal Elite) and an out of season invitation only training camp (Blues).
That’s not to throw shade at Blues. I see nothing wrong with Blues creating an extra chance for kids to play and get better. But I also see nothing wrong with SoCal Elite doing the same.
That’s not to throw shade at Blues. I see nothing wrong with Blues creating an extra chance for kids to play and get better. But I also see nothing wrong with SoCal Elite doing the same.
Since the end of Fall season, clubs have had open tryouts for ECNL, DPL, GA, EA, EA2. They will not sign players for SOCAL leagues but verbally told parents that the offer will come after the Feb 13 date. Clubs definitely use this loophole to recruit players and technically conforms with the rule.
Another way is to give out coaches contact info. If a player/parent showed up to practice and did not disclose their club affiliations, then technically it is within the rule as well. The coach is not required to do "background check"
Thanksgiving camp, holiday camp, and any other camps are 100% legal way to recruits as long as there is no contract offer.
It is possible that this club has been signing official contract agreement with players from other SOCAL club (signing up AYSO or other non-SOCAL is fine) and some parents leaked out that info. Other clubs found the evidence and SOCAL has to make a decision.
The tryout policy is pretty clear: "clubs and teams CAN NOT hold training sessions, clinics, kick arounds, camps, festivals (whatever name you give it) for players OUTSIDE of your club"...prior to the try out date. You can hold free ones for your club and rec players, and you can also hold ones that you charge for (so long as your intent isn't just to recruit...e.g., you can't charge for the camp and call it a try out).
Soccerisfun2022
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The invitation camp had a cost and was not organized by any Blues staff or was affiliated with the Blues. Just because Blues players go to a camp does not mean the Blues ran that camp. They did not.
The invitation camp had a cost and was not organized by any Blues staff or was affiliated with the Blues. Just because Blues players go to a camp does not mean the Blues ran that camp. They did not.
I could be wrong, but I have to believe there is a lot more to this story than just "out-of-season" tryouts. Every club I know has informal tryouts all year long. Granted a kid may have to wait to be rostered on the team based on league rules, but individual tryouts are still happening. Open tryouts are pretty much a waste of time anyway.
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Also TFA did not post any tryout date, just advertised to contact them for tryout info. If you can prove they had a tryout session before the date, then there is a problem for them. If they are just getting info from interested people for the upcoming tryouts, then they are not wrong. It appears they understand the policy, and are operating within the guidelines.
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If the camp/training session/gathering has a cost, it is allowed. If it is no cost, only the clubs own players can attend. What is the cost limit, who knows?? I guess if I was going to exploit that loophole I would charge everybody a dollar, and be good to go.
It used to be fairly common for players to appear as guest players on another team at tournaments. Does that still happen? It's obvious that there will be some recruiting going on there.
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The tryout policy is not intended to keep Players from checking out other clubs, or finding different teams/coaches. There are many loopholes for the Player, I'm sure by intention. The policy is there to restrict the clubs from getting players into a signed contract for the year before the current season is finished. If a Club has an official advertised tryout, all the players, existing and new, are expecting a phone call with an offer or a thank you for coming out, maybe next season. The policy prevents clubs from placing high pressure tactics on players who may be worried they won't find a good team and lock them in earlier and earlier. It prevents clubs from cutting and adding multiple players on teams prior to the end of the season, protecting the current team from a disgruntled environment because some players were cut, and new players are joining. It is a good system for the Player and the Team. I'm not sure what the details are of the Socal Elite tryouts that are in question. Did they have a tryout? Did they have an ID Camp? Did they sign new contracts for the 23-24 season?
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It still happens. The difference is in how it comes to be. The Player is free to reach out to the Club/Coach/Team at anytime, which isn't recruiting, it is a player looking for a team. The Club/Coach/Team can't reach out to a Player and invite them to train/guest play/tryout. If the Player is in a different league than the Coach/Team, there are different rules for playing with the team in a tournament or playing with the team in a league game, but can pretty much attend as many practice sessions as they want.
And the situation may arise that after the game where a team got eliminated at State Cup, the coach has to take a few players to one side and tell them that he has selected better players from the tryouts held a week or two before, so they're not coming back next season.
Caveat: the policy does say that so long as you don't do it as part of an open tryout, you can resign your own players for the next year as early as you like.
They did have two id camps but they were ostensibly one over thanksgiving for MLS/Mexican pro scouts, and some recently for EA and DPL I also saw a camp over the Christmas break, but I don't remember if there was a fee for that.
does this give them the possibility to re-apply after next season, letter seems to suggest only next season
hate to see this , but I could see clubs absorbing entire So Cal Elite teams , poach their coaches , etc
i don’t know how you sell CSL to parents , or why CSL would even take them ( besides money).
is there anyway they can rectify this? Change leadership completely and beg for forgiveness?
The people who suffer the most are the players , and paying customers ( parents )
hate to see this , but I could see clubs absorbing entire So Cal Elite teams , poach their coaches , etc
i don’t know how you sell CSL to parents , or why CSL would even take them ( besides money).
is there anyway they can rectify this? Change leadership completely and beg for forgiveness?
The people who suffer the most are the players , and paying customers ( parents )
I think this would be a great opportunity for one of the larger clubs to break into this market. Rebrand the area, absorb their teams and staff, fly a new banner, give opportunities for higher level of play (ECNL, RL, GA, MLS, E64).does this give them the possibility to re-apply after next season, letter seems to suggest only next season
hate to see this , but I could see clubs absorbing entire So Cal Elite teams , poach their coaches , etc
i don’t know how you sell CSL to parents , or why CSL would even take them ( besides money).
is there anyway they can rectify this? Change leadership completely and beg for forgiveness?
The people who suffer the most are the players , and paying customers ( parents )
58 teams, imagine if Pats or Strikers combined with SoCal Elite? Even better, a club like Slammers or maybe SoCal Blues extends more into the boys side and gives a viable option for parents in the IE to not have to drive to great park for quality programs.
Arsenal could also use a shot in the arm and would be worth wild making a pitch to take on those teams too and compete with Legends out in the IE and help bolster their failing girls program