SD Force going to Surf

BananaKick said:
When these Clubs Affiliate with Surf/Legends etc.. Do they keep their DOC and coaching staff, or does anybody know it’s a common approach “ just to clean house”... hopefully the DOC and Coaches at Force already have their exit plan.
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Totally depends on the particular deal. With this one, the clubs are so close it may be a straight takeover where SD Force gets absorbed(I'm not saying this is the case). Normally there is more distance and the smaller club retains autonomy but pays to wear the shirt through a percentage of player fees to the umbrella club. For example, IE Surf (now same thing with Legends IE which they're now called, Legends SGV and so on) or SGV Surf or Murietta Surf have no true affiliation with the parent club, it just allows them to attract players/stay in business paying for a recognizable name. No other benefits though.

Now that's the usual affiliate way. With West Coast turning into OC Surf that was more of a merger in that OC Surf retains DA. WC were not approaching them saying "hey we'll pay to wear your shirts", it was actually Surf approaching them as they wanted a proper presence in Orange County. What Surf get out of a more rare deal like this is more than just the straight money from a usual affiliate deal (where the smaller club gets no additional bells and whistles bar the shirts lol), what they get is control of a geographic with actual on the filed talent. Now of course, the end goal is to make more money but at least there is a top pathway for the kids.
 
futboldad1 said:
Totally depends on the particular deal. With this one, the clubs are so close it may be a straight takeover where SD Force gets absorbed(I'm not saying this is the case). Normally there is more distance and the smaller club retains autonomy but pays to wear the shirt through a percentage of player fees to the umbrella club. For example, IE Surf (now same thing with Legends IE which they're now called, Legends SGV and so on) or SGV Surf or Murietta Surf have no true affiliation with the parent club, it just allows them to attract players/stay in business paying for a recognizable name. No other benefits though.

Now that's the usual affiliate way. With West Coast turning into OC Surf that was more of a merger in that OC Surf retains DA. WC were not approaching them saying "hey we'll pay to wear your shirts", it was actually Surf approaching them as they wanted a proper presence in Orange County. What Surf get out of a more rare deal like this is more than just the straight money from a usual affiliate deal (where the smaller club gets no additional bells and whistles bar the shirts lol), what they get is control of a geographic with actual on the filed talent. Now of course, the end goal is to make more money but at least there is a top pathway for the kids.
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I wonder what would stop the Force brothers from picking up and starting a new club somwhere else or taking charge of another club (Scripps?), they may take players and coaches as well.
 
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GKDad65 said:
Walmart FC coming to a field near you !

Wait there's more...

Starbucks SC is NOW a DA Club with NPL, ENCL, DPL, Elite CRL, Discovery teams for all of their PDA players.

Semi-Unemployed, unemployable, professional, college, university, community college drop-out coaches with accents to
take our top, elite, MLS/EPL/La Liga... wanabe players to the next level.

Send a deposit to reserve your place!
No try-out required.
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This might be funny but it's also true for many big clubs.
 
I am convinced there is a business in England sending guys over. The ad runs something like this:

"Make thousands in the US coaching youth soccer. Only requirement is an English accent".
 
It's been moderately disappointing to see some Clubs of any size with some history/nostalgia be re-branded. Prior to this I witnessed our own club go from SB Force to LAGSB. However, at the time LAGSB was the only affiliate and made sense with its direct affiliation with the boys academy at LAG. Then our club merged with Exiles. Of recent and the most surprising to me was West Coast becoming OC Surf. I remember watching my nieces playing for DS. Now SD Force who prior was Arsenal SD. At U10 our girls played ASD in State Cup and lost 1-0 I think in the quarters. On a goal that took a funny bounce over our keeper. Then watched them win State Cup in the final against our sister team who at the time was the clear favorite. That was a big win for a small club. Sorry to see them become an affiliate to someone bigger.
 
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GunninGopher said:
I am convinced there is a business in England sending guys over. The ad runs something like this:

"Make thousands in the US coaching youth soccer. Only requirement is an English accent".
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doesnt even have to be English accent anymore. was at a group training session and saw Big Club coach with non-english or latin accent. the coach, with a whistle, proceeded to have his girls (around 11-12) to run the width of a football field back and forth with a ball for 20-25 minutes. just dribbling. this after 10 mins of non-ball, pre-game style, warm up. when i returned, they were scrimmaging, so actual soccer instruction (if any) must have been reallly limited in time. if you see a clipboard and a whistle on your coach, might want to really keep an eye on what your kid is learning at practice.
 
NCsoccerfun said:
Rumors it appears to finally becoming reality. Coaches there at Force are telling folks its a done deal and it's made its way here up North quickly and circulating. Any more insight on why, what's the benefit, point of it?
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Now I'm hearing something different about Surf absorbing Force, parents are talking about how the entities over at 4S are not comfortable with the contract that is offered. I think sometimes with the club takeover, the new club coming in wants the old DOC locked in, preventing them to start another club somewhere else, coaching changes, or at best poaching players away. But there seems to be a "New Force" coming......?....I reckon what that is?
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BananaKick said:
Now I'm hearing something different about Surf absorbing Force, parents are talking about how the entities over at 4S are not comfortable with the contract that is offered. I think sometimes with the club takeover, the new club coming in wants the old DOC locked in, preventing them to start another club somewhere else, coaching changes, or at best poaching players away. But there seems to be a "New Force" coming......?....I reckon what that is?
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Thanks for the intel. "A New Force" very likely is just a phrase being used as it's advertising their Youngers tryouts. So these new players are a new force.
 
I don't know the particulars of any deal, but I can tell you that Surf operates more like McDonalds than Starbucks. McDonalds is a franchise operation with just a few company stores ... this is the Surf and LA Galaxy model. License the name and allow complete autonomy, thus, the Surf licensee remains a separate entity and just rebrands. The Starbucks model, on the other hand is to operate many "company" owned stores. Very few clubs operate this way. Arsenal, Legends, CDA Slammers, Blues, etc. all try but develop a mix of company clubs and franchise clubs.

This is more likely than not just a rebranding of the Force entity to another surf brand.
 
GunninGopher said:
I am convinced there is a business in England sending guys over. The ad runs something like this:

"Make thousands in the US coaching youth soccer. Only requirement is an English accent".
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I saw that ad and came over here!

In all seriousness; yes, there are lots of ‘English accent’ coaches giving the genuinely good ones a bad rep. That said, there are so many poor coaches in youth soccer of all accents and nationalities. I can usually tell inside of 60 seconds either talking directly to or listening to another coach talk to their players, regardless of accent, whether they know their stuff and are a decent coach. There are easy-to-spot generalities that make the poor ones stand out fairly obviously.

The ad that most people read is this:

“Youth soccer, make thousands. Must be able to scream and shout and tell people you played at a high level (even though you definitely didn’t, we can tell). ‘Development’ doesn’t matter; just win and get paid. Interpersonal skills not required; simply ignore parents and treat players like robots.”
 
MWN said:
I don't know the particulars of any deal, but I can tell you that Surf operates more like McDonalds than Starbucks. McDonalds is a franchise operation with just a few company stores ... this is the Surf and LA Galaxy model. License the name and allow complete autonomy, thus, the Surf licensee remains a separate entity and just rebrands. The Starbucks model, on the other hand is to operate many "company" owned stores. Very few clubs operate this way. Arsenal, Legends, CDA Slammers, Blues, etc. all try but develop a mix of company clubs and franchise clubs.

This is more likely than not just a rebranding of the Force entity to another surf brand.
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Does Blues have clubs other than their central location? Also, CDA is the franchise with Slammers/LAFC being the mothership. Just seeking clarification.

With Surf, only the West Coast into OC Surf was a true "takeover/merger" as Surf wanted to truly compete in Orange County with quality teams. The less successful clubs like Murietta, San Gabriel and others are as you say, more just about the number$. I've heard rumblings that the latter format is going be going away or least be balanced out, but thus far they are just rumors.
 
futboldad1 said:
Does Blues have clubs other than their central location? Also, CDA is the franchise with Slammers/LAFC being the mothership. Just seeking clarification.

With Surf, only the West Coast into OC Surf was a true "takeover/merger" as Surf wanted to truly compete in Orange County with quality teams. The less successful clubs like Murietta, San Gabriel and others are as you say, more just about the number$.
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I thought there was another blues, if not my mistake. Slammers is a franchise, with some of the franchisees, like CDA Slammers trying to branch out.
 
MWN said:
I thought there was another blues, if not my mistake. Slammers is a franchise, with some of the franchisees, like CDA Slammers trying to branch out.
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I've always been really confused by this club/model. If you could break it down I'd appreciate it. As I saw it Slammers (now aka LAFC Slammers) was the main club and their franchises were prefixed with CDA. Is that incorrect?

Regarding Blues, they've thought about it but never completed an expansion.
 
futboldad1 said:
I've always been really confused by this club/model. If you could break it down I'd appreciate it. As I saw it Slammers (now aka LAFC Slammers) was the main club and their franchises were prefixed with CDA. Is that incorrect?

Regarding Blues, they've thought about it but never completed an expansion.
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Slammers, had about 3 to 4 different "entities." The main entity Slammers out of Costa Mesa / Newport Beach and then South Slammers and CDA Slammers, which are "affiliates." CDA Slammers has a bunch of branches (see, https://www.cdasoccer.org/). There is even a CDA Slammers South, which is different than Slammers South. About a year or two ago, there was another Slammers out of Yorba Linda/Tustin that changed to something else and a little drama surrounded that.
 
futboldad1 said:
Does Blues have clubs other than their central location? Also, CDA is the franchise with Slammers/LAFC being the mothership. Just seeking clarification.

With Surf, only the West Coast into OC Surf was a true "takeover/merger" as Surf wanted to truly compete in Orange County with quality teams. The less successful clubs like Murietta, San Gabriel and others are as you say, more just about the number$. I've heard rumblings that the latter format is going be going away or least be balanced out, but thus far they are just rumors.
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I dont think Surf did a "Takeover" of West Coast. It seems like a partnership situation. Or at least some sort of higher level Franchise arrangement.
My understanding is that Surf didn't want a group of smaller franchised clubs throughout OC (San Clemente, Anaheim). They wanted a main entity that had the ability to bring in a lot of teams and the ability to continue to grow their presence in Orange County. I don't know the exact details, but OC Surf was given some sort of "franchise" rights across all of OC. And that any existing franchise/affiliate, would likely need to fall under the OC Surf group.
And of course - There is money and control involved.
"If you want to be part of OC Surf, we need to collect an additional per player fee. And your teams will all play in our tournament for a slightly discounted fee. While we also expect your parents to volunteer at our tournament. And participate in our fundraiser."

Anyone know what will happen with San Clemente Surf? And will OC Surf-Anaheim remain a separate group? And is Strikers MV getting folded into OC Surf too?
 
timbuck said:
I dont think Surf did a "Takeover" of West Coast. It seems like a partnership situation. Or at least some sort of higher level Franchise arrangement.
My understanding is that Surf didn't want a group of smaller franchised clubs throughout OC (San Clemente, Anaheim). They wanted a main entity that had the ability to bring in a lot of teams and the ability to continue to grow their presence in Orange County. I don't know the exact details, but OC Surf was given some sort of "franchise" rights across all of OC. And that any existing franchise/affiliate, would likely need to fall under the OC Surf group.
And of course - There is money and control involved.
"If you want to be part of OC Surf, we need to collect an additional per player fee. And your teams will all play in our tournament for a slightly discounted fee. While we also expect your parents to volunteer at our tournament. And participate in our fundraiser."

Anyone know what will happen with San Clemente Surf? And will OC Surf-Anaheim remain a separate group? And is Strikers MV getting folded into OC Surf too?
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San Clemente Surf wants to stay as separate entity. Don't forget they joined Surf way before OC Surf came to be. Don't know if this will work out.
Anaheim Surf is already part of OC Surf.
Strikers MV just signed a contract with Surf Inc. and is now an affiliate of OC Surf.
 
MWN said:
Slammers, had about 3 to 4 different "entities." The main entity Slammers out of Costa Mesa / Newport Beach and then South Slammers and CDA Slammers, which are "affiliates." CDA Slammers has a bunch of branches (see, https://www.cdasoccer.org/). There is even a CDA Slammers South, which is different than Slammers South. About a year or two ago, there was another Slammers out of Yorba Linda/Tustin that changed to something else and a little drama surrounded that.
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CDA Tustin was one of the original 3 CDA's along with HB and Cerritos they were all Strikers before that. Tustin started up Yorba Linda then Slammers FC newport took over Tustin and yeah drama surrounded it.
 
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