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El Clasico
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Yes. Long ones
Only 2?
Found it. This was for SCDSL, but I know one went out to Discovery also. And I think it may have even been a bit more "direct":
"To all SCDSL Team Contacts and Club Officials - URGENT - PLEASE READ AND FORWARD TO ALL PARENTS/COACHES/PLAYERS
After the 3rd week of league games it is time to send an email addressing the inexcusable parental and coach behavior being exibited during SCDSL games. This past weekend was especially out of control and the time has come to make some decisions about this type of behavior moving forward.
While the SCDSL is not the US Soccer Developmental Academy nor the ECNL, this does not make it ok for coaches and parents to behave the way they have been. We have a zero tolerance for parents who can not sit down and enjoy their kids games and for coaches that take the position that referee abuse is the proper example to set for their players.
Therefore, beginning this weekend, any parent issues on the side line, whether it's one parent or multiple parents on the sideline, the whole sideline (for that team) will be instructed to leave and will be dismissed from the game. Failure to do so will result in a forfeit of the game and termination of the game. While that may seem harsh, US Soccer and ECNL would be a whole lot more harsh in the consequences they would impose for such behavior.
Coaches that argue with referees, encourage poor behavior by the parents and condone poor sportsmanship from the players will also be instructed to leave and suspensions will be imposed.
The parents, coaches and players in the SCDSL are held to the highest of standards. We do NOT accept foul language, pushing and shoving, fights and assaults from parents, coaches or players.
Parents - complaining to the referees and about the referees gets you nowhere. Emailing me complaining about the referees will not get you a response. We have a policy in place regarding how we deal with referee issues. Attacking referees but verbally and physically, will only get the offender an extended suspension. The same applies to coaches. It does not matter what club you are with or what your name is. This type of behavior WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Players - Remember the suspensions for Violent Conduct and Referee Abuse. It's a minimum of 3-games and, depending on what the offense is, the disciplinary committee can add more. That's for the 1st offense. Another send-off for Violent Conduct or Referee Abuse is 6-games and your season will be over. Red cards also carry over into next season so don't risk the chance of missing the majority of this season and some of next. Red cards can not be argued away, rescinded or changed.
Club Officials - you may want to reiterate to the parents, players and coaching staff so that they understand the consequences of improper behavior and the consequences involved.
When players are trying to calm their parents down on the sideline - that's a problem.
When a player who has been sent-off in a game and is sitting on the bench decides to run on the field and join in another fight - that's a problem.
When a parent decides that attacking a referee and putting in him a chokehold is acceptable behavior - that's a crime.
When a coach verbally assaults a minor referee and follows her to not just her chair but to the parking lot - that's a crime.
When a coach has to be held back by a manager and assistant coach to keep him from attacking a referee - that's a problem.
Please respect the referees - even the bad ones - and just sit and enjoy the games. We will deal with the referees if they are not up to our standards. We deal with them quicker than any of you realize so let us do what we do and please just enjoy your children and their games. Respect the parents from the opposing teams. Respect all of the players on the field and be a positive example for the players. Don't be the parent(s) that causes a game to be terminated in the 32nd minute because the parents couldn't control themselves so their child's game gets forfeited because of them, not because of anything happening on this field (yes this happened).
If you are that unhappy with the referees - be part of the solution and not part of the problem. Become a referee. They are quitting faster than we can add them. But remember WHY we have the shortage of quality referees. Because they can't handle the constant abuse from the parents and coaches. We lost no less than 5 referees this weekend because of situations involving coaches and parents. Take this seriously.
We will be tracking these issues and we will be clearing sidelines and ejecting coaches.
I hate sending emails like this, but the reminder was necessary and hopefully will help parents/coaches/players to understand that the SCDSL is a member- based league and where clubs apply and are accepted for membership. For those that fail to follow the rules of the league, they can be un-accepted from the league as well. Everyone's behavior goes a long way to ensure the success of the SCDSL moving forward.
Thank you
Michelle"
"To all SCDSL Team Contacts and Club Officials - URGENT - PLEASE READ AND FORWARD TO ALL PARENTS/COACHES/PLAYERS
After the 3rd week of league games it is time to send an email addressing the inexcusable parental and coach behavior being exibited during SCDSL games. This past weekend was especially out of control and the time has come to make some decisions about this type of behavior moving forward.
While the SCDSL is not the US Soccer Developmental Academy nor the ECNL, this does not make it ok for coaches and parents to behave the way they have been. We have a zero tolerance for parents who can not sit down and enjoy their kids games and for coaches that take the position that referee abuse is the proper example to set for their players.
Therefore, beginning this weekend, any parent issues on the side line, whether it's one parent or multiple parents on the sideline, the whole sideline (for that team) will be instructed to leave and will be dismissed from the game. Failure to do so will result in a forfeit of the game and termination of the game. While that may seem harsh, US Soccer and ECNL would be a whole lot more harsh in the consequences they would impose for such behavior.
Coaches that argue with referees, encourage poor behavior by the parents and condone poor sportsmanship from the players will also be instructed to leave and suspensions will be imposed.
The parents, coaches and players in the SCDSL are held to the highest of standards. We do NOT accept foul language, pushing and shoving, fights and assaults from parents, coaches or players.
Parents - complaining to the referees and about the referees gets you nowhere. Emailing me complaining about the referees will not get you a response. We have a policy in place regarding how we deal with referee issues. Attacking referees but verbally and physically, will only get the offender an extended suspension. The same applies to coaches. It does not matter what club you are with or what your name is. This type of behavior WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Players - Remember the suspensions for Violent Conduct and Referee Abuse. It's a minimum of 3-games and, depending on what the offense is, the disciplinary committee can add more. That's for the 1st offense. Another send-off for Violent Conduct or Referee Abuse is 6-games and your season will be over. Red cards also carry over into next season so don't risk the chance of missing the majority of this season and some of next. Red cards can not be argued away, rescinded or changed.
Club Officials - you may want to reiterate to the parents, players and coaching staff so that they understand the consequences of improper behavior and the consequences involved.
When players are trying to calm their parents down on the sideline - that's a problem.
When a player who has been sent-off in a game and is sitting on the bench decides to run on the field and join in another fight - that's a problem.
When a parent decides that attacking a referee and putting in him a chokehold is acceptable behavior - that's a crime.
When a coach verbally assaults a minor referee and follows her to not just her chair but to the parking lot - that's a crime.
When a coach has to be held back by a manager and assistant coach to keep him from attacking a referee - that's a problem.
Please respect the referees - even the bad ones - and just sit and enjoy the games. We will deal with the referees if they are not up to our standards. We deal with them quicker than any of you realize so let us do what we do and please just enjoy your children and their games. Respect the parents from the opposing teams. Respect all of the players on the field and be a positive example for the players. Don't be the parent(s) that causes a game to be terminated in the 32nd minute because the parents couldn't control themselves so their child's game gets forfeited because of them, not because of anything happening on this field (yes this happened).
If you are that unhappy with the referees - be part of the solution and not part of the problem. Become a referee. They are quitting faster than we can add them. But remember WHY we have the shortage of quality referees. Because they can't handle the constant abuse from the parents and coaches. We lost no less than 5 referees this weekend because of situations involving coaches and parents. Take this seriously.
We will be tracking these issues and we will be clearing sidelines and ejecting coaches.
I hate sending emails like this, but the reminder was necessary and hopefully will help parents/coaches/players to understand that the SCDSL is a member- based league and where clubs apply and are accepted for membership. For those that fail to follow the rules of the league, they can be un-accepted from the league as well. Everyone's behavior goes a long way to ensure the success of the SCDSL moving forward.
Thank you
Michelle"
jpeter
PREMIER
I'm hearing that so far team registrations are down a bit for this league. Some clubs like Surf, Strikers, Blues, etc are cutting back the number of teams in this league and plan on playing elsewhere for some teams so have to wonder if this league is becoming more of a Orange County regionally league for 2nd-4th teams or whatever?
The Long Beach referee association that was used this past year for Discovery wasn't well received from the feedback I gathered so they might want to consider some changes in that area. Discovery returning teams in certain age groups is 50% off I heard in u17 for example especially at the top end.
The Long Beach referee association that was used this past year for Discovery wasn't well received from the feedback I gathered so they might want to consider some changes in that area. Discovery returning teams in certain age groups is 50% off I heard in u17 for example especially at the top end.
I'm guessing some of the falloff is because of the following things-
1) uncertainty of where the games will be played
2) Travel for the very north and south teams
Discovery will still be the top teams from SCDSL teams minus some of those far north and south
I felt the referees from Discovery were MUCH better than what we got in the National Cup. I cannot remember offsides calls that were an obvious miscall all season in Discovery. In the National Cup, there was not a single game there wasn't a very blown call in favor of our team or against it- It was crazy the blown calls. Especially ones where the player that played the ball was well onside, was going at goal or scored a goal and was mysteriously called offsides.
jpeter
PREMIER
Good insight... For national cup where do the officials come from ? Local associations? been yrs @u12 since my youngest played in NC.
Discovery is doing or considering combined age groups like BU18/19 & G01/02 so they can get enough quality teams
Eagle33
PREMIER
My understanding that Cal south allocate certain number of fields for all local associations and offer them those fields based on availability of top level referees. Associations can turn down those fields or accept it. I could be wrong, but believe this is how it works.
I'm responding to a few of the referee related posts. That's correct in regards to how they're allocated.
I've worked with Long Beach RA and tbh they don't have the top of the line referees that competitive games need. There's not much mentoring going on there. Good folk though.
Overall, there will not be the best referees or the best performances from referees at silverlakes, national cup, and scdsl at silverlake. Why? Cus, it's just not rewarding enough for a referee to show up to games an HR early and be capped at 3 games. Most drive 60 miles out there to ref a match. 1.5 hr drive, 1 hr early, 6 hrs for games and a 1hr drive after and you have a whole day shift that seems more difficult and less rewarding than a regular job...
I don't drive to silverlakes anymore, ever. I don't care how many dirty looks I get from my assignor but so be it. I will not operate at a loss to uphold a unwritten rule of doing every game.
When it was the ulittle state cup, referees were only making a $90 maximum and they had to drive out far and were capped at 3 games. Absolute joke. No thank you. Compensate referees fairly and stop making people get there an HR early for no damn reason!!
I've worked with Long Beach RA and tbh they don't have the top of the line referees that competitive games need. There's not much mentoring going on there. Good folk though.
Overall, there will not be the best referees or the best performances from referees at silverlakes, national cup, and scdsl at silverlake. Why? Cus, it's just not rewarding enough for a referee to show up to games an HR early and be capped at 3 games. Most drive 60 miles out there to ref a match. 1.5 hr drive, 1 hr early, 6 hrs for games and a 1hr drive after and you have a whole day shift that seems more difficult and less rewarding than a regular job...
I don't drive to silverlakes anymore, ever. I don't care how many dirty looks I get from my assignor but so be it. I will not operate at a loss to uphold a unwritten rule of doing every game.
When it was the ulittle state cup, referees were only making a $90 maximum and they had to drive out far and were capped at 3 games. Absolute joke. No thank you. Compensate referees fairly and stop making people get there an HR early for no damn reason!!
OrangeCountyDad
SILVER ELITE
What about the parents? 1 hour is barely enough time to kick your kid out of the car for warm ups then 2-3 lubricating drinks at the bar to prepare our inexhaustible supply of “pointers” to the obviously blind refs!
Venantsyo
GOLD
Any clubs going the other way around?
From my perspective, a lot of clubs moved from SCDSL to CSL last year (in our area) due to size. I understand that a club has to have a minimum number of teams to register with SCDSL.
I wondered at the time if its a proliferation of smaller clubs popping up, concentration of teams/players into larger clubs or kids leaving soccer at the older ages.
Strictly my perception in a small area around me. Dont know if its the same way elsewhere or if this year follows the same trend or reverses it.
Eagle33
PREMIER
Looks like CSL is now mostly for LA area teams, SCDSL for Orange County and San Diego
If you add the IE, the LA area, and teams north of LA (SCV) close to half those teams are in SCDSL. San Diego and OC make up the other half.