Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

foreveryoung said:
Sorry, let me rephrase the question. How do you feel about how your coach/club are handling the team formation?
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I like all the kids on the team and their parents, and I certainly feel for any kid at this age who didn’t get an early offer and is facing the prospect of losing her spot to a stronger player. Especially during this pandemic. At the same time just because a particular player was on the team this year shouldn’t guarantee anything for the next season when you are talking about an ECNL level team. If the new players are substantially better then so be it. If the players are close the tie should go to the existing player. It’s not my club and I don’t pick the teams, but that’s just my view of it.

I’ve tried to reinforce with my daughter that every day is a tryout and that it will ultimately be her work ethic which will determine whether she starts, how many minutes she gets and if she is offered a spot next year.
 
Surf Zombie said:
I like all the kids on the team and their parents, and I certainly feel for any kid at this age who didn’t get an early offer and is facing the prospect of losing her spot to a stronger player. Especially during this pandemic. At the same time just because a particular player was on the team this year shouldn’t guarantee anything for the next season when you are talking about an ECNL level team. If the new players are substantially better then so be it. If the players are close the tie should go to the existing player. It’s not my club and I don’t pick the teams, but that’s just my view of it.

I’ve tried to reinforce with my daughter that every day is a tryout and that it will ultimately be her work ethic which will determine whether she starts, how many minutes she gets and if she is offered a spot next year.
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Great takes. One thing I liked about TB, he said your spot is open for just one year. Telling a kid it's your spot regardless and you have no worries to worry about tryouts next year is alarming from a competitive stand point. Keeping the customers paying every year, then yes, offer a spot for next 5 years because we all know it's all about the coach and his development tactics.
 
Ellejustus said:
Great takes. One thing I liked about TB, he said your spot is open for just one year. Telling a kid it's your spot regardless and you have no worries to worry about tryouts next year is alarming from a competitive stand point. Keeping the customers paying every year, then yes, offer a spot for next 5 years because we all know it's all about the coach and his development tactics.
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Or, on the flip side, you have a similarly skilled group of girls. Of course you might have a few that standout but in general there is no huge differential in skill over the course of a season. More importantly, all the girls are intrinsically motivated, and highly committed to development and don't need outside motivation to train hard and compete to get better, as they shouldn't be on a top team if they don't have that anyway. The coach and club commit to developing this group of girls and don't look for outside talent unless there is voluntary turnover.

Of course if someone's commitment level falters or they don't keep up with development and the skill gap widens, then of course discussing other options for the next year is appropriate.

Talent identification is highly subjective and often wrong, exaggeratedly so under 18 years. And, explain to me this need to create powerhouse teams of all star players at U13?
 
foreveryoung said:
Or, on the flip side, you have a similarly skilled group of girls. Of course you might have a few that standout but in general there is no huge differential in skill over the course of a season. More importantly, all the girls are intrinsically motivated, and highly committed to development and don't need outside motivation to train hard and compete to get better, as they shouldn't be on a top team if they don't have that anyway. The coach and club commit to developing this group of girls and don't look for outside talent unless there is voluntary turnover.

Of course if someone's commitment level falters or they don't keep up with development and the skill gap widens, then of course discussing other options for the next year is appropriate.

Talent identification is highly subjective and often wrong, exaggeratedly so under 18 years. And, explain to me this need to create powerhouse teams of all star players at U13?
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Two sides for sure. To each his own and each kid is motivated differently and progresses better in certain environments than others. Not all teams and coaches are the same. We are talking about ECNL and the competitive component. This is super hard on all of us because we all want something from soccer. The freaking ball might just pop on us and we will have no soccer. I hope not but man, people are super controlling and some even get pissed off when your super honest and say, "Hey coach Jack, it's not working out because:___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________--_Coach Ass says, "WTF, we did all this for you and all this for that and now you think you can just leave? Ok club hopper now you asked for it"______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________So I I tell him to pound sand and we shall see how good your threat holds up. It's really starting to act like a cult in some places.
 
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There will be losers and if teams from former DA model stay together, that’s really cool. I’m just wondering if the former DA clubs will lower their fees. I mean, paying $4k+ just makes zero sense unless your club can guarantee scholarships or you believe in your kid that much. Remember people, colleges will no longer have the money to offer as many athletic scholarships as in the past. Do it for love and competitive environment. Just don’t get mad when your DD doesn’t get that wonderful scholarship. Don’t blame anyone else but yourselves. This is why we are in this mess and everyone chasing those 3/4 letter leagues. Just when I thought things were going to be simple with ECNL on top, now I hear ECRL, DPL, NPxx, Mls academy, EIEIO.
 
Soccer43 said:
so no more development? three years of a development academy and now evolved to just an academy and all done developing I guess.
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If you read what many of those clubs DOC"s are posting on twitter, it's all about development! Those special words of elite and development shall never leave DOC"s vocal...ever.
 
foreveryoung said:
Or, on the flip side, you have a similarly skilled group of girls. Of course you might have a few that standout but in general there is no huge differential in skill over the course of a season. More importantly, all the girls are intrinsically motivated, and highly committed to development and don't need outside motivation to train hard and compete to get better, as they shouldn't be on a top team if they don't have that anyway. The coach and club commit to developing this group of girls and don't look for outside talent unless there is voluntary turnover.

Of course if someone's commitment level falters or they don't keep up with development and the skill gap widens, then of course discussing other options for the next year is appropriate.

Talent identification is highly subjective and often wrong, exaggeratedly so under 18 years. And, explain to me this need to create powerhouse teams of all star players at U13?
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Couldn’t agree more! What one High Level Coach loves in your player there are 2 that do not see the same!! I’ve been around Girls Club soccer for over 15 years! It was and will be the most frustrating part of the hunt. Excluding the unicorns the next 10%-20%-30% of the talent is up for debate and will be for the foreseeable future!
 
Surf Zombie said:
I like all the kids on the team and their parents, and I certainly feel for any kid at this age who didn’t get an early offer and is facing the prospect of losing her spot to a stronger player. Especially during this pandemic. At the same time just because a particular player was on the team this year shouldn’t guarantee anything for the next season when you are talking about an ECNL level team. If the new players are substantially better then so be it. If the players are close the tie should go to the existing player. It’s not my club and I don’t pick the teams, but that’s just my view of it.

I’ve tried to reinforce with my daughter that every day is a tryout and that it will ultimately be her work ethic which will determine whether she starts, how many minutes she gets and if she is offered a spot next year.
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Okay so that would be a yes, you are okay with how your coach and club are handling the team formation.
 
GDA tried to force us "all in" with one philosophy of soccer and basically, gave no one a choice except for the ones who wanted it and benefited from it. We can all see today who's who. We need to let each club and coach of a team decide how they will form their teams, not some League. That's stupid and one of the reasons were talking about this bs, besides forcing top public school kids with an either or situation. 15 and 16 and 17 year old girls are quiting too. Some girls are burned out and a coach has the obligation ((if college soccer is the goal)) to tell the goat their not trying and were here to win too and winning in soccer is trying. I told my dd a few times last year that you should always give 100% because if you don;t, someone else will and let me to you, little hot shot, that won;t fly in college and I won;t pay $3,000. She understands that very well now. I think this next go around the girls playing will be there for winning and also getting help from their coach and club through this college process. If their was ever a time parents needed some guidance, its now. Not like now, right now, but in the future. I will trust the process and be patient through these tough times.
 
@Ellejustus aka Soccer Helper


So from what I’m reading ECNL is going to be the path for girls soccer, what about this MLS league I’m hearing about. Is this for boys only? What about the La Galaxy girls team? Where are they going? Been practicing social distancing way too long from this forum and I have many questions now. Is my DD in the right club now? What’s the prized league we should be aiming for etc. Using a few of my free posts that I have left on this account. I need to clarify a few things so we know that we are on the right path.
 
soccer4us said:
If you read what many of those clubs DOC"s are posting on twitter, it's all about development! Those special words of elite and development shall never leave DOC"s vocal...ever.
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Unless they are recruiting your kid and the win/loss record is better for the DOC's team.
 
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