Ref Shortage

Refs are in short supply but they ones showing have been making the best of it and doing fine from what I've seen which is almost all video.

In the older groups some teams are having trouble getting enough players to show up for games. The divide between teams that can play the ball and procession can be more pronounced when the numbers are low.

Teams get tired and frustrated and the games can get ugly with fouls or blowouts so the refs inevitably have to step in or spectators get frustrated when a team is not doing well or just playing jungle ball instead of maybe? what they worked in in training.

Heard about a couple games where teams get so discouraged that they basically throw in the towel stop playing hard, or won't even sub in while the coaches just watch it. Games can get called early in some of those cases as players drop out like flys, was a team that started with 18 recently I heard about that finished the game with 9 or 10 for whatever reasons the coach threw in the towel early and the game was no more than a overmatched training session.
 
timbuck said:
I don't REALLY believe that a technical foul type of call should be implemented. But if your team is giving away free corner kicks because your coach or some aggressive parent can't keep their mouth shut- I bet they get quiet pretty fast.
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It would with the olders because they might actually score on a corner. The youngers can't even get it into the box and the corner rarely translates into a goal scoring opportunity. For the youngers, if you want to punish the parents, turn it into a mandatory goalkick for the offending team....given the high percentage most teams until U12 have for losing the ball on the goalkick, that might be a more severe punishment...but it would encourage on the boys side in particular coaches to find that really big kid with the big leg that can just boot the ball
 
Grace T. said:
It would with the olders because they might actually score on a corner. The youngers can't even get it into the box and the corner rarely translates into a goal scoring opportunity. For the youngers, if you want to punish the parents, turn it into a mandatory goalkick for the offending team....given the high percentage most teams until U12 have for losing the ball on the goalkick, that might be a more severe punishment...but it would encourage on the boys side in particular coaches to find that really big kid with the big leg that can just boot the ball
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They already do this!!!
 
outside! said:
DS is a ref. He did 3 games yesterday. He was center ref for one game and he said the players liked him because he can keep up with the game. Being 18 and fit turns out to be an advantage once again.
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DS is going to the Marine Corps in July and decided not to play this spring season and instead as been reffing 8-10 games per weekend and some during the week. Basically as many as he can get to. For him, the money out weights the attitudes of the parents, but it did take him two years as AR before he would CR, now that's all he wants. (doesn't always get it, but accepts every game they give him.) Oh, and going too boot camps soon doesn't hurt his performance either.
 
Banana Hammock said:
DS is going to the Marine Corps in July and decided not to play this spring season and instead as been reffing 8-10 games per weekend and some during the week. Basically as many as he can get to. For him, the money out weights the attitudes of the parents, but it did take him two years as AR before he would CR, now that's all he wants. (doesn't always get it, but accepts every game they give him.) Oh, and going too boot camps soon doesn't hurt his performance either.
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How did he get into it? I'd like to see if my 16 yo would do it.
 
TheVirginian said:
How did he get into it? I'd like to see if my 16 yo would do it.
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Not who you're asking but...

I would start with having him take the classes through your local AYSO. Once he takes Regional and Intermediate, he can transfer over to USSF Grade 8/Grassroots and start doing club. He could go directly into it with USSF but starting with AYSO is a more gentle route but it will probably take a year to do it. It's free that way (except for the $35 (?) fee to transfer to USSF and AYSO (at least the region that is local to me) tries to make sure their youth refs aren't abused. Just an idea. I'm trying to get my kids to do that but neither have done it yet. Oh, they can also get service hours (if they need them for school, etc.) for reffing in AYSO from what I'm told.
 
TheVirginian said:
How did he get into it? I'd like to see if my 16 yo would do it.
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He started by signing up for the class thru calsouth. Took a in person one day class and completed a bunch of lessons and tests online. He did not do the ayso method mentioned above. I have another DS (12 or 13 at the time) who did it the same way but only reffed one day because of the pressure. But at 16 your kid should be able to handle it. After you get the level 8 cert. which is the first one, then you register with your local ref association and they assign games. He has done it about 5 years.

Referee FAQs - Cal South

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How are we feeling about games on Mother's Day (this Sunday in case anyone needs a reminder).
Don't expect any 3-man crews this Sunday. You'll be lucky to get one.
 
Grace T. said:
It would with the olders because they might actually score on a corner. The youngers can't even get it into the box and the corner rarely translates into a goal scoring opportunity. For the youngers, if you want to punish the parents, turn it into a mandatory goalkick for the offending team....given the high percentage most teams until U12 have for losing the ball on the goalkick, that might be a more severe punishment...but it would encourage on the boys side in particular coaches to find that really big kid with the big leg that can just boot the ball
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watch some of the better flight 1 teams. You’ll see a few 10 year olds who can curve it into the box, even on a 9v9 field.
 
My kid tried reffing at age 12. Centered a 8 year old REC game and left in tears after one of the coaches called her "pathetic" after arguing about a throw-in. She never reffed again. I wasn't there or I would have an assault and battery charge on my record right now.
 
GLangevinito said:
My kid tried reffing at age 12. Centered a 8 year old REC game and left in tears after one of the coaches called her "pathetic" after arguing about a throw-in. She never reffed again. I wasn't there or I would have an assault and battery charge on my record right now.
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Most rec programs near me would get rid of the coach if he treated a youth ref like that. Ban him from games and tell the other parents that someone needs to step up.

You don't yell at the youth refs. Coaches and parents are easy to replace. Youth refs are valuable.
 
dad4 said:
Most rec programs near me would get rid of the coach if he treated a youth ref like that. Ban him from games and tell the other parents that someone needs to step up.

You don't yell at the youth refs. Coaches and parents are easy to replace. Youth refs are valuable.
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Most competitive club programs would promote him to work with their top teams. For being so "passionate" and doing whatever he can to show his players how much he cares.
 
Kicker4Life said:
When I used to ref games, anytime a parent would bark. I stopped the game, walked over to them and offered up my whistle. “If you know better than I, come on out and give it a try!”....That typically shut them up.
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Stopping the game and go to a parent and talk to them is not advisable. In some cases it only makes the situation worse and look like a comedy or drama.
What would yo do if some nut will say OK I'll do it? Or, who knows what else might happen. There is an established procedure when, in any case with a parent being out of line, you go to coach and ask coach to handle his/her parent(s) and if coach refuses then the game is over. But, imagine this very unpleasant situation, and the referee is 13-16 years old.
 
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