Ref Shortage

timbuck said:
Someone who was reffing because they needed the extra cash, can now drive an Uber/Doordash for similar money and be left alone all day.
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Not really.... Driving for Uber/DoorDash is nowhere near the same amount. Not to mention that is you want to drive during the busy times (late night Friday/Sat) you are dealing with drunks in your car.

Let's say a AR is getting 20 per hour. Not many drivers are getting that consistently with Uber. There is much down time where as a ref you get a some games and are able to plan the rest of the day around it.

Throw in some CR games and you are making way more than you would driving.
 
TangoCity said:
I think it goes both ways. There are some really bad parents and some really bad referees. Once you are getting paid $30 to $40 per hour a certain level of competency, fitness, knowledge of the laws and game management should be required. And for the bad parents there currently isn't a bad enough punishment for them for getting ejected. Maybe for every parent that gets ejected a coach, assistant coach or team manager gets ejected too. What is the sideline behavior like in other countries with youth soccer?
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I agree that there are bad refs and bad parents... BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTT. I have seen plenty of bad refs become good refs, but I would bet that most bad parents do not become good parents.

The main thing that creates good refs is experience. But if bad refs are abused and quit before they ever get experience, then you won't get many good refs.

All in all, bad parents are a result of being a subpar human being, whereas bad refs are usually not.
The $30-40 (closer to 20 on the low end) an hour is more of the "entry-level" job starting wage. And that wage is only that high because of the immense demand and meager supply of refs due to mostly parent abuse. So even bad parents are to blame for the high wages that supposed lazy and "incompetent" referees get. As referees get more experience and competence, they get higher wages in other leagues, like over 50 dollars an hour all the way to 250 dollars a game for college.
 
sweeperkeeper said:
Not really.... Driving for Uber/DoorDash is nowhere near the same amount. Not to mention that is you want to drive during the busy times (late night Friday/Sat) you are dealing with drunks in your car.

Let's say a AR is getting 20 per hour. Not many drivers are getting that consistently with Uber. There is much down time where as a ref you get a some games and are able to plan the rest of the day around it.

Throw in some CR games and you are making way more than you would driving.
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A driver can work 7 day a week if he or she wants to. 3 games on Saturday and 3 games on Sunday @ $20 a game is little more that gas money and a movie.
 
Definitelynotanotherref said:
I agree that there are bad refs and bad parents... BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTT. I have seen plenty of bad refs become good refs, but I would bet that most bad parents do not become good parents.

The main thing that creates good refs is experience. But if bad refs are abused and quit before they ever get experience, then you won't get many good refs.

All in all, bad parents are a result of being a subpar human being, whereas bad refs are usually not.
The $30-40 (closer to 20 on the low end) an hour is more of the "entry-level" job starting wage. And that wage is only that high because of the immense demand and meager supply of refs due to mostly parent abuse. So even bad parents are to blame for the high wages that supposed lazy and "incompetent" referees get. As referees get more experience and competence, they get higher wages in other leagues, like over 50 dollars an hour all the way to 250 dollars a game for college.
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most refs I’ve seen or worked with are good people. But a substantial portion of them aren’t. I’ve seen refs that don’t give an f and are just there for the buck. I’ve worked with a holes that are sexist, get frustrated with my baby ref status or are just mean. One ref I worked with had alcohol on his breath (maybe the parents drove him to drink). Some didn’t care to get up to speed on the rules, and get offended when I point out a change. A few have been out of shape. I’ve suspected a couple of bias. And quite a few have been tyrants. Some I suspect but am not sure have the stamina, mental strength, quickness of mind or (like in my case) line of sight to every be really good

I’ve also seen parents improve. I’m one of them (maybe because of my ref and soccer writing experience). Even our dear friend Luis shows some sign of growth (though it depends where you start and not everyone is capable of growth).

I think your generalizations have a kernel of truth but like all stereotypes also aren’t completely accurate.
 
timbuck said:
Did anyone threaten to kill you? Or question your character and/or eyesight?
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Always. That’s a standard weekend. This weekend it was a b10 tier 3 parent because in a 1 man Ref game I couldn’t see a ball that may have gone out of bounds by an eyelash.
 
Definitelynotanotherref said:
I agree that there are bad refs and bad parents... BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTT. I have seen plenty of bad refs become good refs, but I would bet that most bad parents do not become good parents.
Here is what my teenage son and his friends are getting paid for reffing.

The main thing that creates good refs is experience. But if bad refs are abused and quit before they ever get experience, then you won't get many good refs.

All in all, bad parents are a result of being a subpar human being, whereas bad refs are usually not.
The $30-40 (closer to 20 on the low end) an hour is more of the "entry-level" job starting wage. And that wage is only that high because of the immense demand and meager supply of refs due to mostly parent abuse. So even bad parents are to blame for the high wages that supposed lazy and "incompetent" referees get. As referees get more experience and competence, they get higher wages in other leagues, like over 50 dollars an hour all the way to 250 dollars a game for college.
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the guys above saying they made over 200 I believe they were doing 90 min games and higher level. Most people here are talking about SCDSL.
2001, 2002, 2003 (90 minutes) $154.00
2004 and 2005 (80 minute) $136.00
2006 and 2007 (70 minute) $120.00
(2005 and 2006 only) 2008 and 2009 (60 minute) $102.00
2010, 2011, 2011(b) (50 minute) $86.00
http://scdslsoccer.com/_files/RefereeFees2019Fall_2.pdf

so on a normal set of 08 games, a set is typically 3 and 75 minutes each (half and check in), a ref will make $103. ref is suppose to be at field 30 min prior. Lets say drive time of 30 minutes to field. It ends up being below $20 an hour to ref.

In the last few weeks I have noticed requests to pick up games much later in the week. Normally if I do not have any games I get an email, on Wednesday and that's about it. In the last 3 weeks I have been seeing requests sometimes for the day of, and not just for harder to fill Adult games, but 9v9 and below. I would love to do 2hrs of games on a weekend, I could do an 8am game and be home before everyone is awake. However when its a full or half day its harder to fit reffing in with my kids own games.

We just need more people to step up.

And all coaches should have a 30 minute laws of the game video they watch every year. I heard a coach this weekend as part of his rant about a call say that coaches don't get shown cards, I almost expected the center to show him a red.
 
Our refs never show up 30 minutes early, lol -- and I don't think commute time is normally computed as part of hourly wage. I think some refs on here get the $0.54 per mile if they report their earnings on their taxes.
 
SageMajor said:
the guys above saying they made over 200 I believe they were doing 90 min games and higher level. Most people here are talking about SCDSL.
2001, 2002, 2003 (90 minutes) $154.00
2004 and 2005 (80 minute) $136.00
2006 and 2007 (70 minute) $120.00
(2005 and 2006 only) 2008 and 2009 (60 minute) $102.00
2010, 2011, 2011(b) (50 minute) $86.00
http://scdslsoccer.com/_files/RefereeFees2019Fall_2.pdf

so on a normal set of 08 games, a set is typically 3 and 75 minutes each (half and check in), a ref will make $103. ref is suppose to be at field 30 min prior. Lets say drive time of 30 minutes to field. It ends up being below $20 an hour to ref.

In the last few weeks I have noticed requests to pick up games much later in the week. Normally if I do not have any games I get an email, on Wednesday and that's about it. In the last 3 weeks I have been seeing requests sometimes for the day of, and not just for harder to fill Adult games, but 9v9 and below. I would love to do 2hrs of games on a weekend, I could do an 8am game and be home before everyone is awake. However when its a full or half day its harder to fit reffing in with my kids own games.

We just need more people to step up.

And all coaches should have a 30 minute laws of the game video they watch every year. I heard a coach this weekend as part of his rant about a call say that coaches don't get shown cards, I almost expected the center to show him a red.
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For Presidio/SDDA games the center referee gets paid $.83 a minute in a 60 minute 9v9 game and $.67 a minute in an 11v11 u17-19 90 minute game. So, I can make $150 for 3 hours of 9v9 work or $134 for 11v11 3 hours of work. If it was just about the money I would work three 9v9 games. The 11v11 don’t pay as much but they are more challenging and more fun to work. Either way I am making more than $20 an hour. Probably around $30-$40 an hour with the extra 30 minutes added in.
 
TangoCity said:
Our refs never show up 30 minutes early, lol -- and I don't think commute time is normally computed as part of hourly wage. I think some refs on here get the $0.54 per mile if they report their earnings on their taxes.
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I am always at the field 30-45 minutes before the game. It gives me enough time to warm up, get my jersey and supplies ready and check in the teams. Nothing irritates me more than a referee I am working with that shows up right at or just before game time, and I let them know it. I do write off on my taxes all my supplies, mileage, and registration and assignment fees.
 
Surfref said:
I am always at the field 30-45 minutes before the game. It gives me enough time to warm up, get my jersey and supplies ready and check in the teams. Nothing irritates me more than a referee I am working with that shows up right at or just before game time, and I let them know it. I do write off on my taxes all my supplies, mileage, and registration and assignment fees.
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I had to run from my daughter's game to AR a game. I knew I was going to be just in time for the game, but was still so stressed out, I texted the referee days before to let him know I wouldn't be there 30 minutes prior.
 
NickName said:
Not sure if this is a question, bitch (it is socalsoccer) or observation.

Kid plays SCDSL F1 Champions. The past 2 weeks we have played with a single ref for our games.
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Follow up; one of the other teams in our overall club (different area) drove the 60+ miles to the same place we had one (late) ref to find none had showed up.

Reiterating what I said in my original post, stuff happens and maybe a ref can’t make it but if the league is scheduling games but unable to find refs, perhaps they should notify the teams beforehand.

I saw a couple other posts here about issues finding refs in North OC. I know bitching anonymously on a forum gets absolutely nothing done but if the refs aren’t getting paid enough to show, raise the pay. If it’s the abuse from parents, play a “closed door” game. Let someone video the game and the parents can watch it after.
The kids are the ones that suffer while the league (SCDSL in this case) is still collecting dues
 
Soccer Dad & Ref said:
I had to run from my daughter's game to AR a game. I knew I was going to be just in time for the game, but was still so stressed out, I texted the referee days before to let him know I wouldn't be there 30 minutes prior.
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It is the refs that contact their partners when they are going to be late that I hate.
 
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