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Very true. And more documentation and tracking than ever before.
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
Maybe you should encourage your kids to quite sports and take up debate or chess. Girls are more susceptible to ACL injuries naturally and thus need to keep up their fitness do specific strength and conditioning training. The answer is not to sit on the bench more.
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BRONZE
I remember reading an article that another problem that contributes to girls having a lot of knee/ankle injuries is they try to stay upright when they get hit. Apparently, that is more jarring to their knees/ankles and they would be better off falling down AND learning how to fall down. I guess boys are more likely to go down when hit/know how to fall correctly. I know that sounds weird but apparently it's true.
younothat
PREMIER
Do boys flop or fall down more, maybe up until a certain age but for HS ages I dunno? Girls tend to be way more flexible even at this age.
I can tell you the things that helped our senior daughter who has seen a number of teammates with this type of injury; playing volleyball to strength the core and legs and Judo although she mostly has to spar with the bigger boys so knows how to roll and fall with somebody bigger pushing against her.
Yep, Women have a few “special needs” and additional work for ACL injury prevention is one of them. That was my point.
The Female Athlete Triad- https://www.socceramerica.com/publi...e-athlete-triad-an-under-recognized-spor.html
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SILVER ELITE
Many factors obviously contribute to ACL tears, perhaps the most important (other than genetics) being muscle fatigue. The number of minutes played in a single game has a high correlation to ACL injury risk. Here's a link to an interesting article. https://fitforfutbol.com/2016/02/th...y-and-sleep-on-performance-injury-likelihood/.
As discussed above, there are many ways a girl can take steps to potentially reduce the risk of an ACL injury. First, if you have a family history of knee problems, don't play soccer. Second, cross-train, build leg muscle strength and learn the biomechanics of running properly to avoid excessive knee strain. Third, don't play DA or for the GNT. There is no legitimate reason a 15-16 year old girl should play a 90 minute game, let alone train 4 days a week and then play 2 90 minute games over the weekend. Is it any surprise that the U17 WNT has lost at least 5 players to ACL tears in the last year? Finally, put your daughter on the pill.
As discussed above, there are many ways a girl can take steps to potentially reduce the risk of an ACL injury. First, if you have a family history of knee problems, don't play soccer. Second, cross-train, build leg muscle strength and learn the biomechanics of running properly to avoid excessive knee strain. Third, don't play DA or for the GNT. There is no legitimate reason a 15-16 year old girl should play a 90 minute game, let alone train 4 days a week and then play 2 90 minute games over the weekend. Is it any surprise that the U17 WNT has lost at least 5 players to ACL tears in the last year? Finally, put your daughter on the pill.
Does the pill help prevent ACL tears?
https://fitforfutbol.com/2017/02/the-role-of-gender-in-pre-disposal-to-injury-by-lauren-cowley/
"Another explanation for gender’s role in pre-disposal to certain injuries may be hormonal differences between men and women. Sex hormones, e.g. estrogen and progesterone, cause an alteration of gene expression in soft tissues. Therefore sex hormones may influence the structure and function of tendons, particularly the achilles tendon. Estrogen reduces fibroblast biosynthesis, and could possibly decrease collagen density, which could in turn decrease tendon resistance to injury (Lee et al., 2004). Elevated endogenous estrogen levels in females have also been correlated with decreased collagen rates of synthesis, which can lead to reduced tendon cross-sectional area (Miller et al., 2006) which in turn, can increase risk of injury by reducing the tendon’s ability to adapt to loading upon it.
Sex hormones have also resulted in ligamentous laxity being found to be more dominant in females than males. This appears to be as a result of the women’s menstrual cycle, due to peak levels of estrogen and progesterone (Harmon & Ireland, 2000). ACL rupture incidence is found to be at its highest in females during the ovulation phase of their menstrual cycle, as that is when estrogen levels are at their peak (Wojtys et al., 1998). Wojtys et al. (2002) also discovered that oral contraceptive use decreases the occurrence of injury observed during this ovulation phase (Wojtys et al., 2002)."
"Another explanation for gender’s role in pre-disposal to certain injuries may be hormonal differences between men and women. Sex hormones, e.g. estrogen and progesterone, cause an alteration of gene expression in soft tissues. Therefore sex hormones may influence the structure and function of tendons, particularly the achilles tendon. Estrogen reduces fibroblast biosynthesis, and could possibly decrease collagen density, which could in turn decrease tendon resistance to injury (Lee et al., 2004). Elevated endogenous estrogen levels in females have also been correlated with decreased collagen rates of synthesis, which can lead to reduced tendon cross-sectional area (Miller et al., 2006) which in turn, can increase risk of injury by reducing the tendon’s ability to adapt to loading upon it.
Sex hormones have also resulted in ligamentous laxity being found to be more dominant in females than males. This appears to be as a result of the women’s menstrual cycle, due to peak levels of estrogen and progesterone (Harmon & Ireland, 2000). ACL rupture incidence is found to be at its highest in females during the ovulation phase of their menstrual cycle, as that is when estrogen levels are at their peak (Wojtys et al., 1998). Wojtys et al. (2002) also discovered that oral contraceptive use decreases the occurrence of injury observed during this ovulation phase (Wojtys et al., 2002)."
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
This is one of the worst advice posts I have ever read. Don't play soccer? Don't play DA to avoid the 90 min game when instead you will play 4-5 games in a weekend at tournaments? The pill??? I hate to see what type of life advice you would provide.
Probably a separate thread, but what the heck.
You don’t hear too much about professional male soccer players with too many major injuries. Yes- they happen. But not at the rate I would expect for the game length and intensity they they are playing at.
Has there ever been a PED scandal at the highest levels of soccer?
How strict are drug tests in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, World Cup, etc?
You don’t hear too much about professional male soccer players with too many major injuries. Yes- they happen. But not at the rate I would expect for the game length and intensity they they are playing at.
Has there ever been a PED scandal at the highest levels of soccer?
How strict are drug tests in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, World Cup, etc?
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SILVER ELITE
Relax buddy, clearly you can't tell when something is written tongue in cheek. If the concept of your daughter and the pill is too much for you to handle, I'd hate to see what type of life advice you are providing them. Regardless, I highly recommend getting over it for many reasons, and before she goes to prom or gets seriously hurt on the pitch. Tick tock.
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
My youngest is a senior and oldest ones in college so I am way past that issue. Was your soccer advice tongue in cheek also? If not it sucks.
Even better for building strength in female athletes would be testosterone or HGH injections. I don't think they are illegal as long as they are done with a parent's consent and under a doctor's supervision.
Soccerfan2
GOLD
4 days of training often includes fitness/strength training and one 90 minute game is less risky than multiple games over the weekend tourney. My daughter plays DA and is thrilled with not being hurt/sore after games anymore because there’s only one game a day. She can also go all out every game now. All kinds of elite athletes catch flack for doing too much, or too young. Bunch of crap. Look for examples of all those who defy the limits too. Go do what you love and learn to listen to your body and take full care of it. Girls don’t need artificial limits put on them.
One of my sons' former teammates who was the smallest player on the team that year underwent a series of HGH injections. By the time he finished high school he was starting linebacker on the football team. He attended a different high school than my kids so we lost track of his progress until we saw him working out on the track one day. We didn't recognize him at first, but after he saw us he told us his tale. His only problem was a weakness in the hip muscles because he was growing too fast. Physical therapy cured that.
Soccerfan2
GOLD
“Anterior cruciate ligament injuries are generally regarded as a particular concern for female athletes, with multiple previous studies, including those by Agel et al22 and Arendt et al,17 who reported higher rates of injury among females. Unfortunately, the plethora of such studies has led to a common belief that ACL injury is a problem for female athletes only. For example, Chappell et al19 claimed simply that female athletes have a higher risk of ACL injuries than male athletes. This assertion has been perpetuated because so few researchers have evaluated the overall incidence of ACL injuries and ACL injury rates across large numbers of sports. As shown in Table 1, football, a male sport, had the largest number of ACL injuries and also the highest competition-related ACL injury rate of the 9 sports we studied. In fact, we found no significant sex difference in ACL injury rates when all 9 sports were considered, only seeing a significantly higher rate in females when limiting analyses to sex-comparable sports (soccer, basketball, and baseball or softball). This is consistent with Mountcastle et al,20 who similarly found no sex difference between overall rates of ACL injury. Rates, however, are only one way to evaluate burden; incidence should also be considered. The high incidence of ACL injuries in football compared with other sports also demonstrates that ACL injuries are not limited to female athletes. In fact, given the large number of US high school football players relative to the number of girls’ basketball and soccer players,1 in terms of numbers of patients treated, sports medicine clinicians are more likely to treat a male high school athlete with an ACL injury than a female high school athlete with an ACL injury. Thus, in terms of sex, the burden of ACL injury is relative to the clinical or research question being asked. Although effective injury-prevention programs may need to be sex specific, given the large numbers of male athletes sustaining ACL injuries, efforts to create effective pro- grams should not be solely targeted to female athletes.”
http://natajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.4085/1062-6050-48.6.03?code=nata-site
http://natajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.4085/1062-6050-48.6.03?code=nata-site
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SILVER ELITE
Your daughter's personal experience is a pretty small sample size for an ACL risk study. It's cute you think your daughter can go hard for 90 minutes straight without a significantly increased risk of an ACL injury, and that "listening to her body" can help avoid ACL injury. Which medical study gave you that advice? Regardless, your suggestion that there are only two options, play DA without reentry or play multiple games in one day is a false choice. Is your mind really so small that you can't figure out that you shouldn't be required to do either?
Placer dad, right? I get it, you had delusions of grandeur about what the GDA would do for your daughter and irrational hopes it would allow her club to leapfrog all the other clubs in the underwhelming and rather sad Sacto soccer world. I suspect you're beginning to realize, however, that the DA is going down in flames with your daughter on board, only you aren't quite in the acceptance phase yet so you're desperately trying to convince others (but mostly yourself) that its rules are gospel. But smart people know those rules are stupid, unnecessary and potentially dangerous. That paying $10K to fly to five states plus San Diego to play teams that are worse than probably 20 NorCal clubs is insane. That anyone with half a brain and a modicum of ability is far better off at one of the local ECNL clubs. Don't worry, though, soon your daughter's club will be back in the NPL where it belongs, and you'll be making day trips to Modesto and praying Stanislaus St. got your daughter's email inviting them to scout her game against Ajax. That is, if she doesn't blow out her knee first trying to "defy the limits".