Question for Parents of Olders

[Emma]

I disagree about the youngers. My kid had just started club ball when they made the age switch and it proved to be a tremendous disadvantage. He went from being the tallest and fastest to at best middle of the pack. Lots of coaches in the early flights needing to get promotions also play run and shoot ball so that extra leg speed is of benefit for both the attacking players and the defensive players.

To see the difference, his private elementary school ran an annual jog athon where the boys and girls competed separately but all the age classes competed together. The winner for the last 10 years (with 1 exception) has been a fifth grader. Yes there are some 4th graders who finish higher than the fifth grader, but ON AVERAGE the older the boy the better they perform. He finished second the jog a thon his final year, first was a birthday roughly his age, beating out another 5th grader who is very small and agile but is 8 months younger and just simply couldn't keep up with either of them in the multiple laps even though he dominated the first lap, trained cross country, and trained for the event (while the two winning boys, basketball and soccer GK respectively, didn't)

Otherwise agree.

My son always played flight 1 then letter leagues as a starter and half his team was always small, including him. Almost every team we played against had at least 2-3 small players who were very impressive. As we always said, watch out for the small ones, they're on the team because they're very good, not because they can out muscle or out run someone.

My daughter went thru the age change and her first year she struggled because she was the youngest. Thereafter, she figured out how to handle the that she wasn't always one of the biggest and fastest players, she started working on her foot skills speed, passing accuracy and stamina. Age change was probably the best thing for her because she was forced to adapt and learn soccer skills rather than rely on her speed and strength.

 

[Jar!23]

Smaller kids have to rely on speed, both on and off the ball, passing accurately and quickly, and good footwork. Being able to pay the entire game without slowing down and playing whatever position is needed will make the player so important to the team.

My own experience is that I have a small boy who hasn’t had his growth spurt yet. But he is quick and has good foot skills. He doesn’t stay on the ball longer than he has to and makes good passes quickly. Bigger opponents don’t have many chances to knock him off the ball. ic he is defending he doesn’t usually try to shoulder or knock the other kid off but instead focuses on the ball, staying in front of the attacking player to slow him down or make him lose the ball or cutting off an angle. The problem right now for him is in shooting with power. The boys on his team tend to be smaller and would get very nervous if they saw bigger opponents. They would play in a fearful manner because they didn’t want to get hurt. That feeling seems to have faded a bit after getting used to playing bigger kids.

Bigger kids have an easy time knocking kids off the ball (also leads to more foul calls) or running through defenders. They also tend to have a stronger power kick to bang in goals.

To me speed and good passing is more important than size. But most importantly, the kid has to keep playing. Doesn’t matter how great or terrible the player is if he stops playing. Many kids on your current team if its a younger group will stop playing in the next 2-3 years.

 

[Grace T.]

Smaller kids have to rely on speed, both on and off the ball, passing accurately and quickly, and good footwork. Being able to pay the entire game without slowing down and playing whatever position is needed will make the player so important to the team.

My own experience is that I have a small boy who hasn’t had his growth spurt yet. But he is quick and has good foot skills. He doesn’t stay on the ball longer than he has to and makes good passes quickly. Bigger opponents don’t have many chances to knock him off the ball. ic he is defending he doesn’t usually try to shoulder or knock the other kid off but instead focuses on the ball, staying in front of the attacking player to slow him down or make him lose the ball or cutting off an angle. The problem right now for him is in shooting with power. The boys on his team tend to be smaller and would get very nervous if they saw bigger opponents. They would play in a fearful manner because they didn’t want to get hurt. That feeling seems to have faded a bit after getting used to playing bigger kids.

Bigger kids have an easy time knocking kids off the ball (also leads to more foul calls) or running through defenders. They also tend to have a stronger power kick to bang in goals.

To me speed and good passing is more important than size. But most importantly, the kid has to keep playing. Doesn’t matter how great or terrible the player is if he stops playing. Many kids on your current team if its a younger group will stop playing in the next 2-3 years.

You make a really good point about shooting with power (which seems to be less of an issue with the very Younger’s) which becomes an issue on the boys end around 12 13 and 14. Part of it is the puberty issue: bigger frame stronger kick. But the other issue is the gkers. By 11 and 12 most of them have begun specialized training and can dive on a weaker shot with their area. Unless the gk is a beginner, you aren’t going to score against them on a weak shot into their bubble even on a 1v1. That leaves 3 options: a shot perfectly placed either over the keeper or to a corner, a shot banger heavy enough the keeper doesn’t have time to react, or a cross into the area between the 6 and Pk when the keeper is postside.

 

[Jar!23]

You make a really good point about shooting with power (which seems to be less of an issue with the very Younger’s) which becomes an issue on the boys end around 12 13 and 14. Part of it is the puberty issue: bigger frame stronger kick. But the other issue is the gkers. By 11 and 12 most of them have begun specialized training and can dive on a weaker shot with their area. Unless the gk is a beginner, you aren’t going to score against them on a weak shot into their bubble even on a 1v1. That leaves 3 options: a shot perfectly placed either over the keeper or to a corner, a shot banger heavy enough the keeper doesn’t have time to react, or a cross into the area between the 6 and Pk when the keeper is postside.

I agree. When my boy’s team went to 11v11 on the big field, our gk who started specialized training a few months before, really grew into the position. The progress was incredible.

Definitely harder to score goals. My son used to consistently score goals, not the highest on the team but up there. As I said, he is a smaller kid. Now with playing 11v11, he can’t score much. The only goal he’s scored this year was in a situation where his teammate passed him a through ball as my kid was running, runs faster than the defender, gk comes out and my kid goes around him to slot the ball into the net. He can give assists pretty consistently though. Goes back to the question about size. If the kid isn’t big, speed is important. That will hold the kid through those 12-14 years when other kids are bigger.

 

[youthsportsugghhh]

Someone might have already said this somewhere -- be smarter! If you aren't that big physically be big mentally. My undersized daughter played center back for years and did so admirably against bigger and stronger forwards; she just didn't let them touch the ball. Coaches and parents and the players on the other team would get flustered with playing her when their goal scoring machine didn't get a whiff! Ultimately she ran into a coach that moved her out of center back, not because of skill but the antiquated thought that she was too small to compete. Due to circumstances she was forced back to CB duties for a couple of games and after the refs approached her and said how well she had played, 2 wins. The coach when able moved her out again. Moving ultimately was good for her in the long run (2 years of struggle) as she can now play every non goal position on the field and rarely comes off.

 

[watfly]

I guess my next question to parents of olders is... How did height and size effect your player?

At least on the boy side of things at the top levels size matters significantly, particularly at U12-U14. My sons team is an anomaly in MLS Next in that his team is small. They were U14 last season and probably averaged 5'3 while I'd say most other teams averaged 5'7"-5'9". 6'+ players werent uncommon. My son is 5'1" and a bag of bones. He played kids that were a foot taller and twice his weight. I joked that our team was prepuberty playing postpuberty kids. Puberty is really the advantage more so than size per se.

Size really matters in the short term in club soccer. Assuming a kid is reasonably skilled, size is a significant characteristic that coaches look at for top winning teams at the u12-u14 level. Smaller kids can adapt at these ages but there is only so much they can do. My kid has learned to play smarter. He also has learned to play scrappier because the smaller/faster kids cant always keep the ball away from larger players as some have suggested. It doesn't hurt for some of the smaller kids to learn a few of the Dark Arts to level the playing against the bigger kids. The bigger kids hate nothing more than a scrappy and annoying small player. Its always fun to see a small player frustrate the crap out of a bigger player.

In the long run I believe the smaller players will benefit and the post puberty size difference advantages will be nominal. Unfortunately a few small kids may never get the chance due to our youth soccer culture's preference for bigger players.

 

[SFR]

Sorry, going back to original question on if "Is it better to be versatile or set in one position".
From my kids experience who started playing recreational and moved to high level completive level it never was about them to decide which position they want to play. It was always coach decision and once coach figured out which position they fit best the stayed playing on that position. My point is that players don't come and tell coach to put them in different position. Well, they can ask but most likely it won't happen.

 

[Surf Zombie]

Mine is heading into U15. She has played soccer since before kindergarten and club since she was 7.
U8-U10 played every position but keeper. She has played outside back (both sides) from U11 on. However, she also plays on an indoor team every winter (16-18 games) plus Futsal and usually plays anything but defense just to mix it up.

Is it better to play one position or multiple? I guess it depends. My DD has started every game for her ECNL team over the last two years. Would she have made that team if she was “good” at a few positions but not “great” at one? I don’t think she would have.

 

[Jar!23]

My U13 son's team played games against teams with very noticeable size advantages this weekend. Half of our team are playing up one year and most of the boys are small for their age. At his last physical, my kid was at the 25th percentile in height and less than that in weight. In one game, every opposing player was taller than our biggest kid. Bigger clubs have an advantage in recruiting and picking kids who are big and athletic from a young age. Definitely makes it hard to compete. Tied one game and was crushed in the other one. Looking at the parents, everyone is roughly the same size. It's not like the opposing parents are giants, our kids are just late bloomers and haven't started puberty. It's going to be a rough season and year for sure!

 

[Grace T.]

My U13 son's team played games against teams with very noticeable size advantages this weekend. Half of our team are playing up one year and most of the boys are small for their age. At his last physical, my kid was at the 25th percentile in height and less than that in weight. In one game, every opposing player was taller than our biggest kid. Bigger clubs have an advantage in recruiting and picking kids who are big and athletic from a young age. Definitely makes it hard to compete. Tied one game and was crushed in the other one. Looking at the parents, everyone is roughly the same size. It's not like the opposing parents are giants, our kids are just late bloomers and haven't started puberty. It's going to be a rough season and year for sure!

My son shopped around for his U13 team as a keeper The higher level teams definitely had taller players than the lower level teams he shopped with. He is in the 80th-85th percentile for height for his age, but is an august birthday. Even then it's a tough match up since that more than half year really makes a difference. So even though he is in the 80th percentile, for teams in his age grouping he is average height.

By contrast, on his middle school team, he towers over the rest of them and even though he's not very good at distance running, routinely is able to lap half the boys in the class in long distance running.

 

[mlx]

My U13 son's team played games against teams with very noticeable size advantages this weekend. Half of our team are playing up one year and most of the boys are small for their age. At his last physical, my kid was at the 25th percentile in height and less than that in weight. In one game, every opposing player was taller than our biggest kid. Bigger clubs have an advantage in recruiting and picking kids who are big and athletic from a young age. Definitely makes it hard to compete. Tied one game and was crushed in the other one. Looking at the parents, everyone is roughly the same size. It's not like the opposing parents are giants, our kids are just late bloomers and haven't started puberty. It's going to be a rough season and year for sure!

You know what's more frustrating than that? When your son is 90th percentile in height and still the other teams and team mates are full of kids bigger than him. I'm like, the doctor says he will be 6'4" or something... how tall are these other kids going to be??? That an weight have been the limiters for my kid to stay at ECNL level.

 

[watfly]

My U13 son's team played games against teams with very noticeable size advantages this weekend. Half of our team are playing up one year and most of the boys are small for their age. At his last physical, my kid was at the 25th percentile in height and less than that in weight. In one game, every opposing player was taller than our biggest kid. Bigger clubs have an advantage in recruiting and picking kids who are big and athletic from a young age. Definitely makes it hard to compete. Tied one game and was crushed in the other one. Looking at the parents, everyone is roughly the same size. It's not like the opposing parents are giants, our kids are just late bloomers and haven't started puberty. It's going to be a rough season and year for sure!

Very common at the U13 to U15 age groups as kids hit puberty before other kids. My son's numbers are a little lower than your kid's. He plays at U15 in MLS Next and it isn't uncommon for him to play kids 10" taller and twice his weight. There are kids in boy bodies and kids in adult bodies. It's not just size, but also muscle definition. The size is more pronounced in the upper leagues....cause American soccer. At U16 and above, size differences are less pronounced and mostly irrelevant.

In the meantime, your kid needs to develop his balance on the pitch in an attempt to minimize getting knocked of the ball. Also develop his soccer IQ, movement off the ball etc. Learn how to challenge without being physical, staying at arm lengths and waiting for the attacker/defender to put too much space between them and the ball. And when he challenges physically he may need to be a little dirty and learn some "dark arts". I know some small kids that frustrate the hell of larger kids with how they attack like a rabid Shih Tzu.

 

[Jar!23]

My son shopped around for his U13 team as a keeper The higher level teams definitely had taller players than the lower level teams he shopped with. He is in the 80th-85th percentile for height for his age, but is an august birthday. Even then it's a tough match up since that more than half year really makes a difference. So even though he is in the 80th percentile, for teams in his age grouping he is average height.

By contrast, on his middle school team, he towers over the rest of them and even though he's not very good at distance running, routinely is able to lap half the boys in the class in long distance running.

Size definitely keeps us playing at a lower flight for now. I hope the experience pays off at the later years. I'd say many many kids are overlooked because of size. The bigger kids have an advantage early on because they are tracked into higher level teams which leads to more opportunities later on.

 

[Jar!23]

Very common at the U13 to U15 age groups as kids hit puberty before other kids. My son's numbers are a little lower than your kid's. He plays at U15 in MLS Next and it isn't uncommon for him to play kids 10" taller and twice his weight. There are kids in boy bodies and kids in adult bodies. It's not just size, but also muscle definition. The size is more pronounced in the upper leagues....cause American soccer. At U16 and above, size differences are less pronounced and mostly irrelevant.

In the meantime, your kid needs to develop his balance on the pitch in an attempt to minimize getting knocked of the ball. Also develop his soccer IQ, movement off the ball etc. Learn how to challenge without being physical, staying at arm lengths and waiting for the attacker/defender to put too much space between them and the ball. And when he challenges physically he may need to be a little dirty and learn some "dark arts". I know some small kids that frustrate the hell of larger kids with how they attack like a rabid Shih Tzu.

Wow, that's impressive that your son is able to compete at a high level. Gives me some hope. I'll keep the rabid Shih Tzu image in mind. My son is fairly quick and passes a lot so I haven't seen him being pushed off the ball much. He actually plays in defense for half a game pretty often because he is reliable even though he is so small. Concentrates and doesn't mentally turn off, stays in front of the attacking player to slow him down, cut off his angle or occasionally steal the ball. Watching him try slide tackles is pretty amusing. However, playing in defense takes him away from the midfield which is where he does his best.

 

[watfly]

Wow, that's impressive that your son is able to compete at a high level. Gives me some hope. I'll keep the rabid Shih Tzu image in mind. My son is fairly quick and passes a lot so I haven't seen him being pushed off the ball much. He actually plays in defense for half a game pretty often because he is reliable even though he is so small. Concentrates and doesn't mentally turn off, stays in front of the attacking player to slow him down, cut off his angle or occasionally steal the ball. Watching him try slide tackles is pretty amusing. However, playing in defense takes him away from the midfield which is where he does his best.

I give a lot of credit to the coach. It's not always pretty, and at times it does limit his effectiveness. But I guess he is effective enough that the coach has confidence in him. He might just be lucky that his coach and DOC are vertically challenged, so that might influence their decisions. I know for certain that he wouldn't sniff the starting lineup, or potentially the roster at other MLS Next teams.

Your kid will be just fine with the skill set you mention with the right coach.

 

[socalkdg]

Every kid grows differently. My daughter at 13 was 5' 5" keeper but I knew she would keep growing while a number of the girls on the team stopped. Just turned 16 and is at 5'9" , her reach is longer, and is getting a lot more attention from scouts, colleges, and other teams. Keep working the skills at what ever position they play. I'd say while young play all positions if you can. You can also play one position for club and one for High School. A few of our girls at ID camps have been asked to try other positions at the camp.

 

[Jar!23]

I give a lot of credit to the coach. It's not always pretty, and at times it does limit his effectiveness. But I guess he is effective enough that the coach has confidence in him. He might just be lucky that his coach and DOC are vertically challenged, so that might influence their decisions. I know for certain that he wouldn't sniff the starting lineup, or potentially the roster at other MLS Next teams.

Your kid will be just fine with the skill set you mention with the right coach.

What position does your kid play?

 

[Carlsbad7]

My player excelled at Offense and was Awful at Defense.

So the decision about where to play was made before coaches even announced the team.

 

[watfly]

What position does your kid play?

He plays the 11, depending on the game situation he might get dropped to the 3 late in the game.

 

[lafalafa]

Try not to be concerned with size or weight too much because there is little you can do besides proper diet, genetics can't be trained or changed.

Have you player(s) work on there team work & skills: ball control, first touch, passing, speed of play and decisions. Receiving, trapping, dribbling, shooting, etc.

Some coaches will tell you skill is the number one factor for success in soccer. What skills? Passing is near the top of that list but that's not just a individual skill but a way to play team ball. Team is first in soccer not the individual and its important to act as a team together rather than acting alone on the field.

With the right amount of coaching, strategy, speed, motivation, and skill, size and weight don't necessarily have to be something that's required to be very successful in soccer.

 

[RedDevilDad]

I appreciate everyone’s feedback. It’s hard to tell what is best for my child as I did not play/nor do I know anything about soccer so this feedback has been very helpful as I navigate this club soccer world. My child gets a lot of playing time with every team he has been on but has been in a different position with each coach he has had so I wasn’t sure if it was time to find one position or continue to have him be versatile.

Two thoughts/words of advice:
1. Don't forget you are a paying customer... or another way to say it... don't pay to be angry.
I've know parents who were so frustrated with the team, coach, something... yet paid over two grand annually to be there.

2. Find a realistic friend. Find someone who seems to understand soccer but also wants the best for kids... then let that person be able to speak realism back into you. I get emotionally up or down with stuff... and have a friend who is like, "don't be dumb."


Regarding, positions... I'd usually lean towards by U15/U16 need to have an idea of offensive role and interior v exterior. The differences between a CB and an outside back can be significant. Also, the difference between playing on the back line, midfield or front line can also be significant.
So, I wouldn't worry about a U16 switching between 8 and 10 or outside back and center back... but I'd lean away from seeing them switch from 9 to outside back.