President Joe Biden

It can be done in a day if they are serious about it,. There is little need to present evidence -- all the jurors are witnesses.

a. They aren't (otherwise Pelosi would have moved it on Wednesday before the Senate headed out of town....1 day before the inauguration), b. Trump has the right to counsel and to call witnesses (they just can't vote on it).
 
For fucks sake this is out of control, Anti-fa and BLMers attacked a Patriot March in PB and my 17 yo daughter and her friends were just shopping and got stuck in the middle of the melee. This shit has to stop. Anyone who minimizes any of this because of the "why" can go to hell or a groundhog day of a Costco Saturday with free samples.

So sorry to hear this. It's awful. There's been a lot of this violence today and it's not even nightfall. I've repeatedly warned everyone who'd listen that it's going to get a lot worse. More and more those of us not on the extremes will get caught in it (particularly as lockdowns are lifted and people begin to circulate again). For those that said, it's all about Trump: Biden won...Trump's been cowed....it's still happening and will continue to get worse at least in the immediate term.
 
It's doubly so for those people. Again, legal acumen is not why GCs, government relations people, or compliance attorneys are hired. They are hired for their abilities to influence, who they known, and their abilities to navigate both corporate and political culture (or in the GC case the ability to manage). They aren't the best when it comes to legal analysis. They hire outside law firms for that. And I tell you this from personal experience...the first 10 years of my career, 1/3 of my portfolio was government relations and issues...I hated doing it, I wasn't good at it, and most of the work required nothing by way of legal analysis. And no GC worth their salt would ever tell the head of their company "no you can't do it" unless it was black letter illegal....they'd lay out the pros and cons, and the risks and benefits of each option....otherwise there wouldn't be the Enrons of the world (or for that matter, Facebooks, which a certain film so crisply illustrated).

I think I would respect your opinion more here if you had more direct experience in the valley.

Anyway, another thing we can agree to disagree on.

FWIW, here's some info on Twitter's legal council:


(I'm sure this will elicit partisan concerns)
 
Either way Hunter wasn't running for office and if this was the most corrupt or horrible thing the Rs could come up with about Biden after 47 years of public service ... then, whatever.
Def a good point.

You can look at it from another perspective though. Imagine having a high ranking official in the US government under the subtle influence of a foreign entity that is in 100% opposition to US interest all over the world. That foreign entity has the capacity to wage this effort across the full spectrum. Russia isn't capable of that, not even close and not in a position to really ever do it. China has the capacity, the capability, the discipline, and the motivation to do it. And are doing it, right now and has been for a long time.

Trump - Russia is laughable at best (from a non political aspect). Makes for great political theater though. China is different, we are intertwined differently with them and need them just as much as they need us. The field has never been level. You can argue whether or not the field became more level over the last 4 years. What really can't be argued is that China is a persistent soft and hard threat to US interests, foreign and domestic.
 
I think I would respect your opinion more here if you had more direct experience in the valley.

Anyway, another thing we can agree to disagree on.

FWIW, here's some info on Twitter's legal council:


(I'm sure this will elicit partisan concerns)

my younger brother as I said was no 2 at a valley tech dept doing exactly the regulatory work you describe. But fair: agree to disagree. The baker Hire isn’t about legal acumen...considerable talents are brought to the table but that’s not why a govt attorney is brought in house.
 
Only if they were to disregard their own policies and procedures and the rights of the accused. Would guarantee you if they did that our now hot low grade civil war would become at least a moderate one as a result.

There is no appeal, but Chief Justice Roberts will be presiding, so his rulings and behavior will be crucial.
 
There is no appeal, but Chief Justice Roberts will be presiding, so his rulings and behavior will be crucial.

Besides which, impeachment is not necessary -- 14th Amendment, Section 3 --

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
 
There is no appeal, but Chief Justice Roberts will be presiding, so his rulings and behavior will be crucial.

rhenquist set the precedent that the chair is beholden to the majority of the senate. Also won’t do anything to settle the trumpkins...they view Robert’s as a traitor and I guarantee you were they to try and remove trump in 1 day there will be violence. Trump with nothing left to lose could even be in front of it.

im not an expert on the 14th but iirc the case law on this is very circumspect but there is also the fact that unlike impeachment (which is a political question) the 14th is subject to judicial review.
 
For further study (espola notes version -- the Senate can conduct the trial any way they want to)

 
rhenquist set the precedent that the chair is beholden to the majority of the senate. Also won’t do anything to settle the trumpkins...they view Robert’s as a traitor and I guarantee you were they to try and remove trump in 1 day there will be violence. Trump with nothing left to lose could even be in front of it.

im not an expert on the 14th but iirc the case law on this is very circumspect but there is also the fact that unlike impeachment (which is a political question) the 14th is subject to judicial review.

You appear to be saying that Congress should do nothing because they will just make it worse.
 
You appear to be saying that Congress should do nothing because they will just make it worse.
That’s exactly what I’m saying (and not just worse but much nightmarish worst) and it would also be a tactical mistake away from important work the Biden admin needs to do. What we need now is the lowering of the temperature and statesmanship
 
That’s exactly what I’m saying (and not just worse but much nightmarish worst) and it would also be a tactical mistake away from important work the Biden admin needs to do. What we need now is the lowering of the temperature and statesmanship

We need arrests and trials.
 
We need arrests and trials.

Of those that stormed the Capitol absolutely.

But the left seems to want to take it further. If you agree with them, then you just want a civil war if it means your side could win...you should just say it....you hate the right so much you want to get it over and done with.
 
Of those that stormed the Capitol absolutely.

But the left seems to want to take it further. If you agree with them, then you just want a civil war if it means your side could win...you should just say it....you hate the right so much you want to get it over and done with.

You say "left" and "right" as if they were football teams.
 
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