President Joe Biden

Hüsker Dü said:
I don’t always vote Republican, but when I do they are the right person for the job . . . not the person I want to put on shirts, hats, flags, banners, tattooed on me and praise as if they were the second coming.
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You're about as partisan as they come. You trying to come off as moderate is like E claiming that he's honest... people know better.
 
tenacious said:
Policy wise there is a lot I disagree with. But somehow these sort of personal attacks always feel a bit unpatriotic to me. Idk. Same as watching someone burn a flag.
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Not " Personal " attacks.

Pointing out the inability of THAT 79 year old " Man " to
conduct/control his own physical/mental actions let alone run an
entire country.
HE DOES NOT BELONG ON THE FIELD " SIDELINE "
COACHING/INSTRUCTING ANYTHING OR ANYONE.

JUST HIS REPUTATION OF PAST/PRESENT " EPISODES "
INTERACTING WITH YOUNG LADIES/GIRLS WOULD HAVE
VEHEMENTLY DISQUALIFIED HIM FROM EVER PLACING
A FOOT ON ANY SOCCER FIELD EVER.

SHOW ME ONE COACH WHO HAS/HAD HIS REPUTATION THAT
ANY PARENT WOULD ALLOW NEAR THEIR CHILDREN WILLINGLY !

SHOW ME ONE !!!!!
 
watfly said:
While the internet does provide a easy and anonymous forum to scream and yell at each other, the access to information (even if some of it is misinformation) far outweighs the negative impact of public conflict. Misinformation and conflict has always been out there it just used to spread a lot slower and maybe not get in the mainstream. This biggest issue I see is that the right to free speech has been superseded by the right "not to be offended" which I can't seem to find in the Constitution. I'm a free speech absolutist, they way I look at is if someone is burning an American flag or waving a Nazi flag, I want them out in the public and not hiding in the shadows. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Of course there is a discussion to be had about rights vs. responsibilities.

The biggest difference I see between "then and now" is the lack of tolerance of opposing opinions. Good faith debate used to be more prevalent, now an opposing opinion is met with insults and claims of "ism" or cries to be silenced. There seems to be a trend for many that if you have one particular opinion (or voted for a certain person) then you meet a checklist of other opinions, when in fact most people are far more nuanced and moderate and not purely partisan. We have a habit of placing people in boxes which this forum so clearly illustrates. The most hard fought issues are those that are emotional causes that often have little to do with substance, common sense or reality.

The apparent death in journalism hasn't helped the situation either. In the place of accuracy and substance we get journalists that want to be the first to report with a focus on emotion and promoting conflict. Posting Tweets for a story has now become a prominent form of journalism. Obviously, the line between news and punditry has been completely destroyed.

We have a lot more in common, than politics but some are deciding friendships based solely on politics. That's crazy. The good news is I'm seeing a recent trend where being a parent is far stronger than whether you are a Dem or Rep.
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When obvious lies are defended as just an “opposing opinion” yes there is an issue.
And when I have to endure not only the non wavering belief but enshrinement in those lies, again, I take issue.
Also remember many people, myself included, see silence as condoning.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
When obvious lies are defended as just an “opposing opinion” yes there is an issue.
And when I have to endure not only the non wavering belief but enshrinement in those lies, again, I take issue.
Also remember many people, myself included, see silence as condoning.
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have You ever thought maybe people don’t give a shit that you consider silence as condoning

many People don’t want to adhere to whatever standards you have
 
Brav520 said:
have You ever thought maybe people don’t give a shit that you consider silence as condoning

many People don’t want to adhere to whatever standards you have
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So then why did you bother? Emotional release? You feel better now? Wipe your tears and get back to work, those holes don’t dig themselves! Lol! What a kook.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
So then why did you bother? Emotional release? You feel better now? Wipe your tears and get back to work, those holes don’t dig themselves! Lol! What a kook.
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perfect response, I love it


I hope you will work on trying to “endure “ all those lies

I think we do fine in here enduring all of yours , I have confidence you will
 
Hüsker Dü said:
When obvious lies are defended as just an “opposing opinion” yes there is an issue.
And when I have to endure not only the non wavering belief but enshrinement in those lies, again, I take issue.
Also remember many people, myself included, see silence as condoning.
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Most things aren't that black and white and the most divisive issues in our country are largely emotional, or at least the debate is. The conflict often times arises because the sides are framed as absolutes, when in reality the vast majority don't want unlimited abortion or unlimited gun ownership, for example.

I hate to break it to you but lies are also protected free speech, so instead of silencing lies, you have to combat them. Fights lies with facts, not silence and insults. When you go the ad hominem route its assumed you've lost the debate. Lies can also be in the eye of the beholder. Many considered the Wuhan lab leak to be a lie, when was actually quite possible and may be true.

While there are obvious lies, what is truth or fiction for many people is based upon their life experiences which can vary dramatically from person to person. That's why its always good to try and stand in someone else's shoes.
 
watfly said:
Most things aren't that black and white and the most divisive issues in our country are largely emotional, or at least the debate is. The conflict often times arises because the sides are framed as absolutes, when in reality the vast majority don't want unlimited abortion or unlimited gun ownership, for example.

I hate to break it to you but lies are also protected free speech, so instead of silencing lies, you have to combat them. Fights lies with facts, not silence and insults. When you go the ad hominem route its assumed you've lost the debate. Lies can also be in the eye of the beholder. Many considered the Wuhan lab leak to be a lie, when was actually quite possible and may be true.

While there are obvious lies, what is truth or fiction for many people is based upon their life experiences which can vary dramatically from person to person. That's why its always good to try and stand in someone else's shoes.
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One of the very disturbing trends is we have politicians pushing tech companies to censor speech.

Right now a small number of tech companies own/control the main means one communicates on the internet and they are increasingly shutting down contrary opinions, etc.

A very bad trend. What is worse is a large segment of the population like the fact that certain ideas are shut down.

The pendulum will eventually shift the other way...and those corporations will shut down the other side.

We cannot have that.
 
Desert Hound said:
One of the very disturbing trends is we have politicians pushing tech companies to censor speech.

Right now a small number of tech companies own/control the main means one communicates on the internet and they are increasingly shutting down contrary opinions, etc.

A very bad trend. What is worse is a large segment of the population like the fact that certain ideas are shut down.

The pendulum will eventually shift the other way...and those corporations will shut down the other side.

We cannot have that.
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You're still free to tell your lies here, so what are you complaining about?
 
watfly said:
While the internet does provide a easy and anonymous forum to scream and yell at each other, the access to information (even if some of it is misinformation) far outweighs the negative impact of public conflict. Misinformation and conflict has always been out there it just used to spread a lot slower and maybe not get in the mainstream. This biggest issue I see is that the right to free speech has been superseded by the right "not to be offended" which I can't seem to find in the Constitution. I'm a free speech absolutist, they way I look at is if someone is burning an American flag or waving a Nazi flag, I want them out in the public and not hiding in the shadows. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Of course there is a discussion to be had about rights vs. responsibilities.

The biggest difference I see between "then and now" is the lack of tolerance of opposing opinions. Good faith debate used to be more prevalent, now an opposing opinion is met with insults and claims of "ism" or cries to be silenced. There seems to be a trend for many that if you have one particular opinion (or voted for a certain person) then you meet a checklist of other opinions, when in fact most people are far more nuanced and moderate and not purely partisan. We have a habit of placing people in boxes which this forum so clearly illustrates. The most hard fought issues are those that are emotional causes that often have little to do with substance, common sense or reality.

The apparent death in journalism hasn't helped the situation either. In the place of accuracy and substance we get journalists that want to be the first to report with a focus on emotion and promoting conflict. Posting Tweets for a story has now become a prominent form of journalism. Obviously, the line between news and punditry has been completely destroyed.

We have a lot more in common, than politics but some are deciding friendships based solely on politics. That's crazy. The good news is I'm seeing a recent trend where being a parent is far stronger than whether you are a Dem or Rep.
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I definitely think we all have way more in common than we realize. We all have similar basic needs/wants. We all want a roof over heads, food on the table, to be gainfully employed, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt us, opportunity for us and our families, etc. There are certainly some wedge issues, but those are in the minority.
 
NorCalDad said:
I definitely think we all have way more in common than we realize. We all have similar basic needs/wants. We all want a roof over heads, food on the table, to be gainfully employed, healthcare that doesn't bankrupt us, opportunity for us and our families, etc. There are certainly some wedge issues, but those are in the minority.
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We also came onto the site because our kids love the game....
 
The Biden administration looks to the country that is supplying fentanyl to America for our infant formula needs...

WASHINGTON -- The Biden administration announced Wednesday that it is providing logistical support to import the equivalent of about 16 million 8-ounce baby formula bottles from Mexico starting this weekend, as part of its efforts to ease nationwide supply shortages caused by the closure of the largest U.S. manufacturing plant.

The Department of Health and Human Services is expediting the travel of trucks that will drive about 1 million pounds of Gerber Good Start Gentle infant formula from a Nestlé plant to U.S. retailers, the White House said, nearly doubling the amount imported to the U.S. to date. Cargo flights from Europe and Australia already have brought baby formula into the U.S., including two new rounds of air shipments that begin this weekend.

The White House has been working to make supply more available as it has faced pressure from parents over supply issues after regulators in February shuttered a Michigan plant run by Abbott that is the largest domestic manufacturer of baby formula over safety concerns. The plant reopened on June 4 after the company committed to additional sanitizing and safety protocols, but shuttered again more than a week ago after severe weather caused damage to the plant.

The company said it needs time to assess damage and re-sanitize the factory after severe thunderstorms and heavy rains swept through southwestern Michigan on June 13.

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US importing baby formula from Mexico to ease shortage

The Biden administration announced Wednesday that it is providing logistical support to import the equivalent of about 16 million 8-ounce baby formula bottles from Mexico
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