Preseason DA Rankings 04

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Monkey said:
I find this comment very intreging. If the girls DA is going to be run like the boys program then they should relegate the weaker teams. However, if this is truly about development, some subjective parameters need to be put in place. Yes unfortunately it is always going to be subjective, but US Soccer must somehow measure the development each club is achieving other than just pooching players.

So far all I have seen DA do is weaken leagues and cause high level players to quit soccer entirely; the conflict between the ego of wanting to be recognized as a top player and thus play on a DA team vs the reality that teenage girls want some free time to be a kid and also study has been too much for some players.

I have also heard rumors that a big shake up is coming already in this first season. Speaking with an out of state parent of a high level ECNL player, his comment was that only in SoCal are parents obsessed with DA. They would rather have the flexibility to spend off days with privates focusing on individual needs.
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What club was this parent's DD a part of?
 
Monkey said:
I find this comment very intreging. If the girls DA is going to be run like the boys program then they should relegate the weaker teams. However, if this is truly about development, some subjective parameters need to be put in place. Yes unfortunately it is always going to be subjective, but US Soccer must somehow measure the development each club is achieving other than just pooching players.

So far all I have seen DA do is weaken leagues and cause high level players to quit soccer entirely; the conflict between the ego of wanting to be recognized as a top player and thus play on a DA team vs the reality that teenage girls want some free time to be a kid and also study has been too much for some players.

I have also heard rumors that a big shake up is coming already in this first season. Speaking with an out of state parent of a high level ECNL player, his comment was that only in SoCal are parents obsessed with DA. They would rather have the flexibility to spend off days with privates focusing on individual needs.
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In NorCal, things are not going well for the DA. Looks like many DA parents are already talking about having their kids jump ship next year. See the thread below.
http://nocalsoccer.com/index.php?threads/girls-da-clubs-announced.921/page-54
 
Monkey said:
I find this comment very intreging. If the girls DA is going to be run like the boys program then they should relegate the weaker teams. However, if this is truly about development, some subjective parameters need to be put in place. Yes unfortunately it is always going to be subjective, but US Soccer must somehow measure the development each club is achieving other than just pooching players.

So far all I have seen DA do is weaken leagues and cause high level players to quit soccer entirely; the conflict between the ego of wanting to be recognized as a top player and thus play on a DA team vs the reality that teenage girls want some free time to be a kid and also study has been too much for some players.

I have also heard rumors that a big shake up is coming already in this first season. Speaking with an out of state parent of a high level ECNL player, his comment was that only in SoCal are parents obsessed with DA. They would rather have the flexibility to spend off days with privates focusing on individual needs.
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Let's not exaggerate. GDA has existed for only a few months. If a kid quit already, that had nothing to do with DA. And yes, GDA did weaken other leagues - no shocker there.
 
MarkM said:
Let's not exaggerate. GDA has existed for only a few months. If a kid quit already, that had nothing to do with DA. And yes, GDA did weaken other leagues - no shocker there.
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I guess you must know all the kids around the US and their situations. You must be busy
 
Nutmeg said:
I guess you must know all the kids around the US and their situations. You must be busy
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No more or less of a generalization than your statement.

If a kid burns out from DA, maybe the parents own some of the responsibility for pushing too hard. Often time it’s the wish of the parent over the child.
 
MarkM said:
No, I just know all the "high level" players. They haven't quit because of GDA. Go ahead and prove me wrong. Name one.
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First off one of the things I believe in most on this form is not naming a minor DD, their family, a team or even a coach, specifically. You should know that. But clearly you don’t know jack s... my friend. When someone uses the term “high level” and their serious about it, that tells me all I need to know.
 
MarkM said:
No, I just know all the "high level" players. They haven't quit because of GDA. Go ahead and prove me wrong. Name one.
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High level player to me is defined as most girls on the top 3/4 of DA teams in SoCal that get significant playing time. And yes girls have already quit. Some probably largely due to parental expectations that they needed to play DA when their dd was not cut out for DA due to social life or school commitments. This is above the normal attrition you see at the start of high school.
 
Monkey said:
High level player to me is defined as most girls on the top 3/4 of DA teams in SoCal that get significant playing time. And yes girls have already quit. Some probably largely due to parental expectations that they needed to play DA when their dd was not cut out for DA due to social life or school commitments. This is above the normal attrition you see at the start of high school.
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So these "high level" players quit soccer entirely because of GDA? I don't believe that for a second.
 
Monkey said:
High level player to me is defined as most girls on the top 3/4 of DA teams in SoCal that get significant playing time. And yes girls have already quit. Some probably largely due to parental expectations that they needed to play DA when their dd was not cut out for DA due to social life or school commitments. This is above the normal attrition you see at the start of high school.
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Kicker4Life said:
No more or less of a generalization than your statement.

If a kid burns out from DA, maybe the parents own some of the responsibility for pushing too hard. Often time it’s the wish of the parent over the child.
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Monkey said:
High level player to me is defined as most girls on the top 3/4 of DA teams in SoCal that get significant playing time. And yes girls have already quit. Some probably largely due to parental expectations that they needed to play DA when their dd was not cut out for DA due to social life or school commitments. This is above the normal attrition you see at the start of high school.
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high level to me means the player that can play anywhere with an
Monkey said:
High level player to me is defined as most girls on the top 3/4 of DA teams in SoCal that get significant playing time. And yes girls have already quit. Some probably largely due to parental expectations that they needed to play DA when their dd was not cut out for DA due to social life or school commitments. This is above the normal attrition you see at the start of high school.
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We clearly have different definitions of high level then. I would say if your the best on one of the top 3 teams in DA playing tons of minutes it’s time to move up or on for a new challenge. If you already are than bravo to you. As far as parental issues and burnout and quiting, there’s plenty of blame to go around for that. Club culture, coach, etc. fundamentally it’s dangerous to believe “the best” are only what you see each weekend and what you think you know as high level and elite are often times in reality mediocre.
 
Nutmeg said:
high level to me means the player that can play anywhere with an

We clearly have different definitions of high level then. I would say if your the best on one of the top 3 teams in DA playing tons of minutes it’s time to move up or on for a new challenge. If you already are than bravo to you. As far as parental issues and burnout and quiting, there’s plenty of blame to go around for that. Club culture, coach, etc. fundamentally it’s dangerous to believe “the best” are only what you see each weekend and what you think you know as high level and elite are often times in reality mediocre.
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When someone uses the term “high level” and they are serious about it, that tells me all I need to know.
 
MarkM said:
When someone uses the term “high level” and they are serious about it, that tells me all I need to know.
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Aren’t we catty tonight. Next time I will be sure to add my quation marks to “high level” and site my sources on my source page.
 
GoWest said:
How about the STATE then if skittish about naming club?
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I should clarify that t high level player's parent I spoke with from out of state was in the national pool.

@GoWest why don't you tell us your daughter's name and team so I can determine whether I should even give you the time of day.
 
Monkey said:
High level player to me is defined as most girls on the top 3/4 of DA teams in SoCal that get significant playing time. And yes girls have already quit. Some probably largely due to parental expectations that they needed to play DA when their dd was not cut out for DA due to social life or school commitments. This is above the normal attrition you see at the start of high school.
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I do know of 1 or 2 girls that have left GDA teams but it was not due to any GDA structure problem or any reason stated above.

Monkey said:
So far all I have seen DA do is weaken leagues and cause high level players to quit soccer entirely;
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I can’t speak much for the boys side....as for the GDA, I believe to say Girls have decided to quite soccer all together because of the DA structure in the 4 - 5 months into its inaugural season is an exaggeration.

As for weakening the leagues, so did Premier and ECNL. Anytime there is an attempt at consolidating talent, you will see this affect.


Monkey said:
.....the conflict between the ego of wanting to be recognized as a top player and thus play on a DA team vs the reality that teenage girls want some free time to be a kid and also study has been too much for some players.
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This is like when and Person who is overweight and has type 2 diabetes because they eat McDonalds and drink soda a week, blames McDonalds for their health problems.


The GDA may not have been necessary nor is it perfect in its first year. Our experience has been great thus far and my DD is stoked. I’m sure she will assess and decide about next year when that time comes. I’ll be there to advise her if she wants it and cheer her on every time she plays.
 
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Monkey said:
I should clarify that t high level player's parent I spoke with from out of state was in the national pool.

@GoWest why don't you tell us your daughter's name and team so I can determine whether I should even give you the time of day.
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The only parents that seem obsessed with GDA are those with kids playing in ECNL, particularly those national team parents that are forced to play their kids in ECNL because of GDA's geographic limitations. ;)

GDA is a league with slightly different rules and requirements than ECNL. You all need to get over it. We are fortunate to have so many options.
 
MarkM said:
The only parents that seem obsessed with GDA are those with kids playing in ECNL, particularly those national team parents that are forced to play their kids in ECNL because of GDA's geographic limitations. ;)

GDA is a league with slightly different rules and requirements than ECNL. You all need to get over it. We are fortunate to have so many options.
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What are you and Monkey just sitting around a field somewhere alternating saying dumb ass stuff tonight out of shear boredom.
 
Monkey said:
I should clarify that t high level player's parent I spoke with from out of state was in the national pool.

@GoWest why don't you tell us your daughter's name and team so I can determine whether I should even give you the time of day.
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You come across as combative.

My DD = California
Your Friends' DD = ???
 
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