Preseason DA Rankings 04

Hired Gun said:
Pat' s U-littles are mostly flight 3 and some 2. Look at the rest of the DA bracket. Most of these clubs have strong flight one U-littles and then just promote large amount to their DA program. With Pats and LA Premier not the case. Many are from outside clubs to fill DA spots. With a baseball analogy most organizations do better with a strong farm system. There are exceptions but majority have a strong younger development program.
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Buy why? Why don't they get higher level u-little teams? Now they have DA. They have a U19 scout that coaches their DA and 05 Pre-Academy team. They have 2 Flight 1 2005 girls teams. They have 2 Flight 2 2005 teams. (Just looking at their RSM/MV group. I'm not 100% clear on how their various affiliates line up. They also have Irvine and Laguna in South OC. And HB and Placentia/Yorba Linda in the north. AND IER in the East.) It seems they would have good pull to bring in players.
What are they missing that Blues, West Coast and Slammers have?
 
timbuck said:
Buy why? Why don't they get higher level u-little teams? Now they have DA. They have a U19 scout that coaches their DA and 05 Pre-Academy team. They have 2 Flight 1 2005 girls teams. They have 2 Flight 2 2005 teams. (Just looking at their RSM/MV group. I'm not 100% clear on how their various affiliates line up. They also have Irvine and Laguna in South OC. And HB and Placentia/Yorba Linda in the north. AND IER in the East.) It seems they would have good pull to bring in players.
What are they missing that Blues, West Coast and Slammers have?
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With DA in its first year and with their DA program being free - will bring in better players eventually. Their U8, U9, U10 and olders that are flight one for the most part do not contend with the top clubs. They are never in the top brackets in major tournaments etc. Starts with the development ages, bringing in top talent with coaching -- eventually they might get there...
 
Hired Gun said:
Quality of opponent/strength of schedule would also be a factor...
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Too much math! Then you start factoring in other Subjective things like missing players, et...lol

I like the ole fashion SCDSL ranking using Ave Points Per Game:

(Includes Regional Games outside of SW Division)
Legends
Surf
LA Galaxy SD (ahead of Beach by GD)
Beach
RSC (ahead of Del Sol by GD)
Del Sol
LA galaxy
West Coast
LAFC Slammers
SoCal Blues
LA Premier
Albion
Eagles
Pateadores
 
Kicker4Life said:
Too much math! Then you start factoring in other Subjective things like missing players, et...lol

I like the ole fashion SCDSL ranking using Ave Points Per Game:

(Includes Regional Games outside of SW Division)
Legends
Surf
LA Galaxy SD (ahead of Beach by GD)
Beach
RSC (ahead of Del Sol by GD)
Del Sol
LA galaxy
West Coast
LAFC Slammers
SoCal Blues
LA Premier
Albion
Eagles
Pateadores
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Where is Soccer18? He would have put Eagles last and RSC up top

So boring now.....
 
Kicker4Life said:
Too much math! Then you start factoring in other Subjective things like missing players, et...lol

I like the ole fashion SCDSL ranking using Ave Points Per Game:

(Includes Regional Games outside of SW Division)
Legends
Surf
LA Galaxy SD (ahead of Beach by GD)
Beach
RSC (ahead of Del Sol by GD)
Del Sol
LA galaxy
West Coast
LAFC Slammers
SoCal Blues
LA Premier
Albion
Eagles
Pateadores
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I'd agree with all this. To be honest I did embarassingly little research for my rankings
 
timbuck said:
Why does Pats seem to struggle on the girls side so much? Seems they have quality coaches. Are they just not able to recruit the right female players? Do they play a nice looking game but just aren't able to score? Now that they have DA (and didn't have ECNL before) will they start to see an upswing? Are they fragmented with all of their city affiliates and aren't able to grab a strong player from a lower flighted team?
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If they continue to fully fund the program they will eventually get better players. It's harder to pry girls away from their friends/teams than boys. Their girls program was really bad. If the girls DA doesnt' completely fold thanks to the bad decisions of US Soccer, they will eventually be better than any non-DA program.

What I'm interested to see is whether US Soccer will try to enforce playstyle requirements on clubs/coaches or whether they will give them free reign. Right now only a handful of teams are actually trying to play out of the back with regularity.
 
timbuck said:
Buy why? Why don't they get higher level u-little teams? Now they have DA. They have a U19 scout that coaches their DA and 05 Pre-Academy team. They have 2 Flight 1 2005 girls teams. They have 2 Flight 2 2005 teams. (Just looking at their RSM/MV group. I'm not 100% clear on how their various affiliates line up. They also have Irvine and Laguna in South OC. And HB and Placentia/Yorba Linda in the north. AND IER in the East.) It seems they would have good pull to bring in players.
What are they missing that Blues, West Coast and Slammers have?
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I agree with HG. strong farm is key. They should do a better job and the littles trying to find the top players. I think the Big 3 have reputations of generally putting together strong teams so that is where some will go to. The 04 and 05 Pats are probably new teams. Unless you get an entire solid nucleus to come over I think it would take time to build up.
 
jose said:
I agree with HG. strong farm is key. They should do a better job and the littles trying to find the top players. I think the Big 3 have reputations of generally putting together strong teams so that is where some will go to. The 04 and 05 Pats are probably new teams. Unless you get an entire solid nucleus to come over I think it would take time to build up.
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Pateadores are an interesting model. They have maybe 10? franchises all around everywhere but no real control over any of them. They sell every player a uniform that they retail so thats how they make money. They didn't pull from their franchises to make strong teams because the franchises arent invested in the success of the club. No reason to pass their top kids along and make their own teams weaker. If you are a soccer coach with a few teams, call the Pats, you can play under their brand if you buy uniforms from them.
 
JoeBieber said:
Pateadores are an interesting model. They have maybe 10? franchises all around everywhere but no real control over any of them. They sell every player a uniform that they retail so thats how they make money. They didn't pull from their franchises to make strong teams because the franchises arent invested in the success of the club. No reason to pass their top kids along and make their own teams weaker. If you are a soccer coach with a few teams, call the Pats, you can play under their brand if you buy uniforms from them.
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Funny you don't know jack. There are no franchises. They are the only club in SoCal that has all 200 teams under one roof. Ie we can player pass to anywhere.
 
JoeBieber said:
If they continue to fully fund the program they will eventually get better players. It's harder to pry girls away from their friends/teams than boys. Their girls program was really bad. If the girls DA doesnt' completely fold thanks to the bad decisions of US Soccer, they will eventually be better than any non-DA program.

What I'm interested to see is whether US Soccer will try to enforce playstyle requirements on clubs/coaches or whether they will give them free reign. Right now only a handful of teams are actually trying to play out of the back with regularity.
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The best DA program in SoCal will eventually be Beach.
 
jose said:
I agree with HG. strong farm is key. They should do a better job and the littles trying to find the top players. I think the Big 3 have reputations of generally putting together strong teams so that is where some will go to. The 04 and 05 Pats are probably new teams. Unless you get an entire solid nucleus to come over I think it would take time to build up.
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It looks like the Pats have hired a few good coaches on the girls side so I'd expect them to be able to recruit well and start developing better teams at the younger ages too.
 
pulguita said:
Funny you don't know jack. There are no franchises. They are the only club in SoCal that has all 200 teams under one roof. Ie we can player pass to anywhere.
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200 teams and the worst GDA teams at every age group? Tell me how that makes sense. The teams are spread all over everywhere. Sure they are all registered as Pats but the best players are not all playing for their top teams.
 
JoeBieber said:
200 teams and the worst GDA teams at every age group? Tell me how that makes sense. The teams are spread all over everywhere. Sure they are all registered as Pats but the best players are not all playing for their top teams.
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I don't know its called Girls DEVELPOMENT Academy isn't it. If all your teams are already the best how do you know you are developing anything? Give them a few years then we can evaluate. There was no ECNL to roll over or a history of USYS National Championships. It will take some time.
 
pulguita said:
I don't know its called Girls DEVELPOMENT Academy isn't it. If all your teams are already the best how do you know you are developing anything? Give them a few years then we can evaluate. There was no ECNL to roll over or a history of USYS National Championships. It will take some time.
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This was my exact point if you look back in the thread. I think they will be ok long term. But there is a reason they have 200 teams and are the worst in the league right now. Their teams are everywhere, and nowhere, when it comes to building elite teams.
 
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