Preseason DA Rankings 04

Some great insight DT32. It's always interesting to hear different viewpoints from across the country --

However, I don't know many that consider the GDA a realistic path to a YNT, rather as a solid path to a college scholarship, just as the ECNL has provided for the past decade. In most areas, the GDA simply took over for ENCL. The majority of clubs across the country with the GDA designation had the ECNL last year and quite a few still have both, with the ECNL teams being the second tier, thus making the level of competition at the top level similar to last year. And I don't think there are many rosters over 20 in GDA. I'm not aware of any in our area of that size ... My kid's team's roster for example is at 16. In fact, the roster sizes are generally higher in the ECNL on average.

What's funny about all this is that mission statements for ECNL and GDA are virtually identical. Here is the original ECNL mission statement, although I am sure ECNL updated it more recently: "The Elite Clubs National League, Inc. (“ECNL”) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit member-based organization founded in 2009 to enhance the developmental experience of the female youth soccer players in the United States through: (i) improving the competitive environment through creation of a true nationally-based competitive league with multiple flights; (ii) improving the process for identifying elite female soccer players for the U.S. Soccer youth national teams through a systematic scouting and identification program based on national competition; and (iii) improving the daily training environment at female youth soccer clubs through developing best practices and training and organizational guidelines for its member clubs."

Other than the "multiple flights," which ECNL dropped early on, this is spot on with GDA's mission statement. It's almost like US soccer just copied it. Yet, posters latch on to the YNT path as if US soccer is too myopic, when that is exactly what ECNL claimed to be doing (with no mention of college soccer). The only thing that ECNL really failed to fulfill is improving daily training (iii), which GDA is at least attempting to do. GDA may fail too, but at least it's making an attempt to improve daily training.
 
One quick look at the 2016 ECNL map shows that this is not even remotely true for most of the country. True that in YOUR area most teams in GDA were ECNL last year, but NOT the entire country overall.
http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/member-clubs/confernces/2016-2017-ecnl-club-map/

It is basically true. There are a few notable exceptions (Ohio Elite), but virtually all the top clubs in the country joined GDA. For instance, in the Northwest, all the top clubs by record last year in ECNL joined GDA, even if a majority of the GDA teams in the Northwest were not in ECNL last year. Same with the Southwest. The better way to look at is to ask whether there are more than 5 clubs in the top 40 clubs in the country that didn't join GDA. I think most people would say that the answer is no.
 
It is basically true. There are a few notable exceptions (Ohio Elite), but virtually all the top clubs in the country joined GDA. For instance, in the Northwest, all the top clubs by record last year in ECNL joined GDA, even if a majority of the GDA teams in the Northwest were not in ECNL last year. Same with the Southwest. The better way to look at is to ask whether there are more than 5 clubs in the top 40 clubs in the country that didn't join GDA. I think most people would say that the answer is no.
He said the majority of DA clubs had ECNL, which is veritably untrue. That point is not “basically true”. You’re arguing a completely different point.
 
It is basically true. There are a few notable exceptions (Ohio Elite), but virtually all the top clubs in the country joined GDA. For instance, in the Northwest, all the top clubs by record last year in ECNL joined GDA, even if a majority of the GDA teams in the Northwest were not in ECNL last year. Same with the Southwest. The better way to look at is to ask whether there are more than 5 clubs in the top 40 clubs in the country that didn't join GDA. I think most people would say that the answer is no.
Here are some facts vs. generalities (maybe you're Nostradamus, but as of today they are incorrect).
I can list 4 top clubs just in Norcal that are not DA (top = solid track record and active D1 players in college, and YNT).
  1. MVLA (2 starters on Stanford's NCAA national championship team, 2 more Stanford commits in class of 2020.)
  2. Mustang
  3. San Juan
  4. Santa Rosa
  • Facts: not 1 ECNL club in Norcal moved to DA (De Anza Force players are mostly split across 2 new DA clubs).
  • Considering all the ECNL clubs above are in the NW region (apart from Crossfire Premier which is dual ECNL and DA), who are the rest of "all the top clubs by record who left ECNL to join GDA" you refer to?
  • I can count ~11 clubs across the nation that have both GDA and ECNL. Who are the rest of "virtually all the top clubs in the country" that left to join GDA?
Norcal GDA clubs are in their inaugural year...how do you qualify a 'top club'? There are a few good teams for sure, but it takes more than a few months of existence to be considered a top club.
 
(1) Real Colorado was another top team that went GDA from the Northwest. Crossfire Premier and DeAnza were the other two (although DeAnza fizzled into two). Look at the ECNL club records from 2016-2017. Maybe I'm wrong.
(2) I have no idea why you are focused on dual ECNL/GDA or NorCal. Some clubs left ECNL altogether and my comment was directed at the Northwest region, not NorCal.
(3) There are obviously way more than 11 clubs that were in ECNL last year that went to GDA. Please don't force me to count.
 
(1) Real Colorado was another top team that went GDA from the Northwest. Crossfire Premier and DeAnza were the other two (although DeAnza fizzled into two). Look at the ECNL club records from 2016-2017. Maybe I'm wrong.
(2) I have no idea why you are focused on dual ECNL/GDA or NorCal. Some clubs left ECNL altogether and my comment was directed at the Northwest region, not NorCal.
(3) There are obviously way more than 11 clubs that were in ECNL last year that went to GDA. Please don't force me to count.
I speak to it because it's the region I'm in AND in the Northwest conference you keep referring to. Why would I focus on regions I'm not in or familiar with ;)? This is an 04 thread and I'm very familiar with the records for this age group. If you make claims on a public forum, especially untrue about another region, expect responses from ppl that live there.
Back to why I responded in the first place - 2 out of 14 Northwest clubs is not "most" and those clubs are still in ECNL, haven't left (thus dual). I'm not a national expert. I am very interested in the full list, please share.
 
He said the majority of DA clubs had ECNL, which is veritably untrue. That point is not “basically true”. You’re arguing a completely different point.
Sorry for your apparent confusion davin, but that ^ is absolutely not the case Sir. If you hadn't just skimmed through the post you would've read, "The majority of clubs across the country with the GDA designation had the ECNL last year" ... so.

But Merry Christmas though --
 
Sorry for your apparent confusion davin, but that ^ is absolutely not the case Sir. If you hadn't just skimmed through the post you would've read, "The majority of clubs across the country with the GDA designation had the ECNL last year" ... so.

But Merry Christmas though --
I read it just fine. There are 69 GDA clubs. Which 35 had ECNL last year?

I’m waiting...
 
I read it just fine. There are 69 GDA clubs. Which 35 had ECNL last year?

I’m waiting...

There are more, but I stopped at 35:

(1) Crossfire Premier
(2) Real Colorado
(3) Real SoCal
(4) Surf
(5) So Cal Blues
(6) Slammers
(7) West Coast
(8) Eagles
(9) SC Del Sol
(10) Orlando Pride/City
(11) Albertson Soccer Fury/Fury FC
(12) World Class/New York City FC
(13) FC Dallas
(14) Solar
(15) Dallas Texans
(16) Lonestar SC
(17) Colorado Rush
(18) Eclipse Select
(19) Sockers
(20) Michigan Hawks
(21) Concorde Fire
(22) Top-hat
(23) Boca United
(24) Weston FC
(25) West Florida Flames
(26) Indiana Fire
(27) FC Virginia
(28) Charlotte SA
(29) Penn Fusion
(30) Sky Blue PDA
(31) Boston Breakers
(32) FC Stars
(33) Seattle Reign
(34) Sporting Blue Valley
(35) NC Fusion
 
I speak to it because it's the region I'm in AND in the Northwest conference you keep referring to. Why would I focus on regions I'm not in or familiar with ;)? This is an 04 thread and I'm very familiar with the records for this age group. If you make claims on a public forum, especially untrue about another region, expect responses from ppl that live there.
Back to why I responded in the first place - 2 out of 14 Northwest clubs is not "most" and those clubs are still in ECNL, haven't left (thus dual). I'm not a national expert. I am very interested in the full list, please share.

I was pointing out Real Colorado as one example - you asked for one. Colorado Rush and Seattle Reign also joined DA and both are in the Northwest Division - you must forgotten those clubs too. My claim was true. The top teams in ECNL in the NW region from 2016-17 all joined GDA. Look at the club records.

Here are the 25 top ECNL clubs nationally. Only 5 didn't join GDA. Mustangs is the only team that you listed. http://www.soccerwire.com/news/club...verall-club-rankings-announced-for-2015-2016/
 
There are more, but I stopped at 35:

(1) Crossfire Premier
(2) Real Colorado
(3) Real SoCal
(4) Surf
(5) So Cal Blues
(6) Slammers
(7) West Coast
(8) Eagles
(9) SC Del Sol
(10) Orlando Pride/City
(11) Albertson Soccer Fury/Fury FC
(12) World Class/New York City FC
(13) FC Dallas
(14) Solar
(15) Dallas Texans
(16) Lonestar SC
(17) Colorado Rush
(18) Eclipse Select
(19) Sockers
(20) Michigan Hawks
(21) Concorde Fire
(22) Top-hat
(23) Boca United
(24) Weston FC
(25) West Florida Flames
(26) Indiana Fire
(27) FC Virginia
(28) Charlotte SA
(29) Penn Fusion
(30) Sky Blue PDA
(31) Boston Breakers
(32) FC Stars
(33) Seattle Reign
(34) Sporting Blue Valley
(35) NC Fusion

Nah... you’re including ECNL clubs that don’t have any direct association with GDA. Here is World Class FC’s list of their girls teams, directly from their website. Not one DA team listed: http://www.wcsocceracademy.org/GirlsTeams/index_E.html
 
No direct association? Stop it. World Class is an NYFC affiliate and the program is expressly run in conjunction with World Class under NYFC's name. The DA team plays out of World Class' facilities in Orangeburg, NY and the academy program is run by the World Class DOC.

https://www.nycfc.com/post/2017/02/27/new-york-city-fc-announces-new-nycfc-girls-soccer-academy

Should I also have included DeAnza since DeAnza's website lists the Thorn program for DeAnza girls? As I said, I could have added a few more teams.
 
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