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Multi Sport said:
If you read the article you would have seen that HIV infections were going down in Africa was being taught then rose when the United States got involved and changed the process from abstinence to condom use. So your own post goes against what you think.
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Oh man. I posted the article form catholic Times to show it is part of the doctrine of the church. There in lies the evil. You say the people are the problem, I say, the people will be the only saving of the Catholic Church. When you really can have married Priests and Marres Bishops , and once again a married Pope, then there will be a chance. Until then, old men, hiding pedophiles, making doctrine that tries to control women's bodies and continuing to amass tremendous wealth will make sure that the people are treated like lambs, to be fattened for the slaughter.

Sorry, it is hard to understand a cult when you are a member.
 
Multi Sport said:
Your kinda late to the party. There are already Priest who are married and women Priedt are on their way. You are also just singling out Catholics and not the Church as a whole. My Church is very active in India and Africa as are many of the local Churches. Not sure where you get your information from but much of it is wrong or misguided. You used the word evil twice so it's obvious that you are biased against at least the Catholic Church. Yes, some evil things have happened within the Catholic Church but that's why I posted, the people corrupt, not the doctrines.

And what about the drug dealers? You really believe any Church is going to stsnd up to a cartel? You must be smokin the good stuff if you believe that! That's where the government SHOULD be avtive and not turning a blind eye.
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It is not the people that are the problem. The people will someday save the church. As far as standing up to the cartels. Yes, I think the Catholic Church can and should stand up to the cartels. They used to. It was of course mostly the Nuns who took the brutality but it is what it is. I had high hopes for the current Pope but that big old engine of power will not be stopped by one man. It will take you. I look forward to women Priedt, who are married and can become Bishops and Cardinals. Let me know when the first one is elected Cardinal.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Oh man. I posted the article form catholic Times to show it is part of the doctrine of the church. There in lies the evil. You say the people are the problem, I say, the people will be the only saving of the Catholic Church. When you really can have married Priests and Marres Bishops , and once again a married Pope, then there will be a chance. Until then, old men, hiding pedophiles, making doctrine that tries to control women's bodies and continuing to amass tremendous wealth will make sure that the people are treated like lambs, to be fattened for the slaughter.

Sorry, it is hard to understand a cult when you are a member.
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Not a Catholic Andy just someone who views aren't tainted like yours... but nice try.
 
Multi Sport said:
Not a Catholic Andy just someone who views aren't tainted like yours... but nice try.
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My assumption based on your comments was incorrect. Most churches are not cult like. Just people looking for answers through mythology. The Catholic Church is supercharged. Much like clerics in many Muslim countries. A force larger than leading just their own followers. I would not say my view is tainted but does have a bias based on what I have experienced. I would feel better about churches giving to areas less developed if they did not demand the faith of those that they are trying to help. It is an unfair trade. Believe like I do and you want be hungry today. Always a catch in the end.
 
One of my many, many favorite things about the Catholic Church is that you can go to the poorest cities in Latin America and the one nice building in the midst of all the squalor will be the giant, bejeweled and gilded Catholic Church...such irony.
 
messy said:
One of my many, many favorite things about the Catholic Church is that you can go to the poorest cities in Latin America and the one nice building in the midst of all the squalor will be the giant, bejeweled and gilded Catholic Church...such irony.
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Just like the government buildings in the US.
 
nononono said:
" Tiny " T.....is that you ?

What's going on here....!

I'm in SHOCK !
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Not sure what the surprise is... I've always been a moderate dem who looks for practical solutions. It's everyone else in here whose moral and political compass cycles between being Compassionate Conservatives, to hard-core Trumpers to holier the thou Christian Conservative.
 
Andy Dukes said:
My assumption based on your comments was incorrect. Most churches are not cult like. Just people looking for answers through mythology. The Catholic Church is supercharged. Much like clerics in many Muslim countries. A force larger than leading just their own followers. I would not say my view is tainted but does have a bias based on what I have experienced. I would feel better about churches giving to areas less developed if they did not demand the faith of those that they are trying to help. It is an unfair trade. Believe like I do and you want be hungry today. Always a catch in the end.
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I was out riding today with one of my buds. I was sharing with him your views on the Catholic Church and how you feel they should be standing up to the Drug Cartels in South and Central America. After he stopped laughing he looked at me and said "oh, your serious?!". His face totally changed and he starting talking about how naive people are in the United States and that a statement like yours is just plain ignorant. He is from El Salvador so his take on your views are probably coming from his own experiences.
 
tenacious said:
Not sure what the surprise is... I've always been a moderate dem who looks for practical solutions. It's everyone else in here whose moral and political compass cycles between being Compassionate Conservatives, to hard-core Trumpers to holier the thou Christian Conservative.
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Can't be TDs views that are off. It has to be everyone else's because he is so moderate.

Wow... can this guy be anymore full of himeself.
 
Multi Sport said:
I was out riding today with one of my buds. I was sharing with him your views on the Catholic Church and how you feel they should be standing up to the Drug Cartels in South and Central America. After he stopped laughing he looked at me and said "oh, your serious?!". His face totally changed and he starting talking about how naive people are in the United States and that a statement like yours is just plain ignorant. He is from El Salvador so his take on your views are probably coming from his own experiences.
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So he’s given up on the Catholic Church entirely? Is that your point?
 
messy said:
So he’s given up on the Catholic Church entirely? Is that your point?
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He's not Catholic either, but that's irrelevant. Point it is Andy thinks the Catholic Church should be standing up to the Drug Cartels. Maybe Andy can clarify what he means by "standing up to " . But my friend found it laughable given the government's, police and military in that region have not been able to control the cartels... if anything it's the other way around.
 
Multi Sport said:
He's not Catholic either, but that's irrelevant. Point it is Andy thinks the Catholic Church should be standing up to the Drug Cartels. Maybe Andy can clarify what he means by "standing up to " . But my friend found it laughable given the government's, police and military in that region have not been able to control the cartels... if anything it's the other way around.
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What " You " are stating is correct...

I " Think " Andy was trying to convey that the Catholic Church has set
a practice of abstinence that does not work with basic human nature.
Over the last ( just ) 500 years or so it is obvious the ingrained deviancy
that has been practiced within the Catholic Church.
There are many many subjects that I will not discuss on this forum that
the Catholic Church has swept under the rug so to speak and instead opted
to either pay off the accusers or use other more serious methods that could
be deemed quite evil/murderous in nature.

Andy's Original Comment below :

" I have a problem with abstinence.
It is unnatural and it does not work.
When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up.
Same with all STD's including AIDS.
The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms.
They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS.
And as far as BIAS......
I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy.
The church itself. "

He could have presented his argument much more eloquently
and touched on specifics that have/are destroying the inner workings
of the church...
But I do see what his basic premise was...and the Catholic Church has
been guilty for quite some time ( as in hundreds and hundreds of years. )
As for the influence of the Catholic Church in Latin America, that is
a subject that has been debated many times....some say it goes the
other way .....

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/08/21/how-latin-america-influenced-entire-catholic-church
 
nononono said:
What " You " are stating is correct...

I " Think " Andy was trying to convey that the Catholic Church has set
a practice of abstinence that does not work with basic human nature.
Over the last ( just ) 500 years or so it is obvious the ingrained deviancy
that has been practiced within the Catholic Church.
There are many many subjects that I will not discuss on this forum that
the Catholic Church has swept under the rug so to speak and instead opted
to either pay off the accusers or use other more serious methods that could
be deemed quite evil/murderous in nature.

Andy's Original Comment below :

" I have a problem with abstinence.
It is unnatural and it does not work.
When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up.
Same with all STD's including AIDS.
The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms.
They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS.
And as far as BIAS......
I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy.
The church itself. "

He could have presented his argument much more eloquently
and touched on specifics that have/are destroying the inner workings
of the church...
But I do see what his basic premise was...and the Catholic Church has
been guilty for quite some time ( as in hundreds and hundreds of years. )
As for the influence of the Catholic Church in Latin America, that is
a subject that has been debated many times....some say it goes the
other way .....

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/08/21/how-latin-america-influenced-entire-catholic-church
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I think Andy is saying the CC no longer makes martyrs of people who confront real evil even at the risk to their own lives... but rather now spends it's days focused on trendy 1st world issues like contraception/abortion, and figuring out how to deal with child abusing priests.
 
Of course no tough follow up questions for the left wing Sara Palin... like how she hopes to pay any of this socialist utopia? My guess is the newspaper owners are worried tough questions will just upset the cult-of-personality cart that is selling so many newspapers.


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez leaned into her socialist image at SXSW, saying 'capitalism is irredeemable'
https://www.businessinsider.com/ale...sm-is-irredeemable-sxsw-socialist-2019-2019-3

Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's controversial views on capitalism have made her a target of both Republicans and Democrats, who have also balked at her disagreement with moderate politics.

During a talk at SXSW on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez called the moderate perspective "an attitude towards life of, like, 'meh,", according to NBC News.

"We've become so cynical, that we view 'meh,' or 'eh' — we view cynicism as an intellectually superior attitude," Ocasio-Cortez said during a talk at SXSW. "We view ambition as youthful naivete when ... the greatest things we have ever accomplished as a society have been ambitious acts of visions."

She added, "The 'meh' is worshipped now. For what?"

The remarks follow a tweet from Ocasio-Cortez last week criticizing guaranteed minimum wages, that Business Insider's Jim Edwards argued traces Marx's Labour Theory of Value.

"Workers are often paid far less than the value they create," she tweeted, suggesting that there's an economic problem when workers can't afford to buy the products that they make and are underpaid for what they're worth.
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Because socialism always works except where it is tried.

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CARACAS PLUNGED INTO DARKNESS
MADURO BLAMES U.S. CYBERATTACK
NATION WITHOUT INTERNET
LOOTERS TAKE STREETS
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Because socialism always works except where it is tried.

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CARACAS PLUNGED INTO DARKNESS
MADURO BLAMES U.S. CYBERATTACK
NATION WITHOUT INTERNET
LOOTERS TAKE STREETS
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Personally I'm capitalist enough to know that there are times the socialism works better. I just don't think it should be the default position.

I remember when my dd was in 2nd grade she was placed in the GATE program at school. Then Bush passed the "No Child Left Behind" act and all the funding was taken out of the gifted program and instead used to improve the scores of the lowest achieving students. While I appreciate the idea that all the resources and focus going to the weakest that is the backbone of the socialist model... I just think this type of narrow minded focus, when the rubber hits the road, is the path to stagnation. Because quite simply it's the smart / strong / aggressive that will one day go onto be the innovators who will be the rising tide that will improve life for the rest of us.
 
tenacious said:
Personally I'm capitalist enough to know that there are times the socialism works better. I just don't think it should be the default position.

I remember when my dd was in 2nd grade she was placed in the GATE program at school. Then Bush passed the "No Child Left Behind" act and all the funding was taken out of the gifted program and instead used to improve the scores of the lowest achieving students. While I appreciate the idea that all the resources and focus going to the weakest that is the backbone of the socialist model... I just think this type of narrow minded focus, when the rubber hits the road, is the path to stagnation. Because quite simply it's the smart / strong / aggressive that will one day go onto be the innovators who will be the rising tide that will improve life for the rest of us.
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So, a rising tide lifts all boats?
What affect do you think illegals had on your daughter's situation?
Who is responsible for the dumbing down of America?
 
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