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tenacious said:
I agree. In much the same way small towns in rural America are dying, the culture and people that traditionally lived in places like Harlem are also getting squeezed out. And I think in both cases, most people agree something needs to be done to protect the have-nots. That said, having now lived in a place where the "progressives" are in charge... it doesn't feel like they are proving to be any better at solving any of these problem.. despite spending a lot more $$ for the same results. It's even worse when you look at infrastructure here in NYC- where the highest taxes in the nation buy you third world pot holes and train delays. They certainly haven't improved the public schools, reduced the number of homeless, or fixed the subway.

Yes I'll agree Trump and McConnell suck and are plainly sticking it to blue states, but maintaining a cities infrastructure fall primarily on local politicians not the federal government... so I can't blame this on them.
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So, you agree with messy? Someone call CNN. What a dope.

BTW Happy Womens Day.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
That is why you people shouldn't dismiss churches. The government isn't the solution. You people think the government is the divinity, if the government can give you it, the government can take it away.
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People are being taught to look to the government for help instead of the church. Government is all knowing and knows best is an easy sell these days with all the church scandals going on... too many people making big $$ in the church now and that leads to corruption, just like in the government.
 
Multi Sport said:
Correct. An individual church may end supporting a particular charity or cause and move onto another but snother will take its place. The church as a whole will always be found helping the less fortunate in ways that you will never know unless you are directly involved.
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I have not always been a agnostic church questioner. My sister runs a food bank out of her church. It is right next door to the Head Start center that is also located at the church. Both receive funds from outside sources besides the church and both could function without the church but the congregations support is great. The issue I have is organizations like the Catholic Church where their mythology over rules the science and they tell people in Africa that condoms do not stop AIDS so don't wear them. It is a sin against God. That my friend is fucked up. It is evil. And there lies the problem. if we take the moneys that churches are given and then redirect those funds to NGO's and other organizations, you will see the impact without as much bullshit from mythology.
 
Multi Sport said:
People are being taught to look to the government for help instead of the church. Government is all knowing and knows best is an easy sell these days with all the church scandals going on... too many people making big $$ in the church now and that leads to corruption, just like in the government.
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That is not a new phenomenon. The largest, most influential and wealthiest organization in the world is the Catholic Church. They still can't get their shit together because of the doctrines that are millennium old and the patriarchal power structure that emboldens them.
 
Andy Dukes said:
That is not a new phenomenon. The largest, most influential and wealthiest organization in the world is the Catholic Church. They still can't get their shit together because of the doctrines that are millennium old and the patriarchal power structure that emboldens them.
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Sounds like the democrats.
 
Andy Dukes said:
That is not a new phenomenon. The largest, most influential and wealthiest organization in the world is the Catholic Church. They still can't get their shit together because of the doctrines that are millennium old and the patriarchal power structure that emboldens them.
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The Catholic Church does have its issues but its doctrines are not it. It's the people, like in any organization, that cause the problems. Like I said.. too many people making big $$ and add power to that.
 
Andy Dukes said:
I have not always been a agnostic church questioner. My sister runs a food bank out of her church. It is right next door to the Head Start center that is also located at the church. Both receive funds from outside sources besides the church and both could function without the church but the congregations support is great. The issue I have is organizations like the Catholic Church where their mythology over rules the science and they tell people in Africa that condoms do not stop AIDS so don't wear them. It is a sin against God. That my friend is fucked up. It is evil. And there lies the problem. if we take the moneys that churches are given and then redirect those funds to NGO's and other organizations, you will see the impact without as much bullshit from mythology.
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I would never suggest someone not use a condom to protect against STDs.. what your source for that story?
 
Andy Dukes said:
https://www.salon.com/2015/11/30/catholic_dogmas_are_killing_people_in_africa/
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/the-pope-was-right-about-condoms-and-hiv-49253

The Pope.
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Did you read the second article? Doesn't exactly make your point, in fact the article never states that the Catholic Church says not to use a condom.

"The Catholic Church has always held that artificial contraception use is immoral. In a 2010 book interview that made waves, Pope Benedict XVI said that while using a condom can represent a step in the right direction as far as showing concern for the other person, it is still an immoral solution to the HIV crisis."

The other link, the hit piece by Salon.. well that was anything but biased.

So I take it you have a problem with abstinence? If you read the second article you would have seen that the HIV infection rates where going down prior to the United States getting involved in Africa... but thanks for posting the articles big guy, good reads.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
That is why you people shouldn't dismiss churches. The government isn't the solution. You people think the government is the divinity, if the government can give you it, the government can take it away.
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Some in the Catholic Church sure can give it to ya! Churches help in a micro-local way not in any large fashion. Osteen wouldn't even open his doors during the flooding, might get mud on the carpet, and his house's?
 
Multi Sport said:
Did you read the second article? Doesn't exactly make your point, in fact the article never states that the Catholic Church says not to use a condom.

"The Catholic Church has always held that artificial contraception use is immoral. In a 2010 book interview that made waves, Pope Benedict XVI said that while using a condom can represent a step in the right direction as far as showing concern for the other person, it is still an immoral solution to the HIV crisis."

The other link, the hit piece by Salon.. well that was anything but biased.

So I take it you have a problem with abstinence? If you read the second article you would have seen that the HIV infection rates where going down prior to the United States getting involved in Africa... but thanks for posting the articles big guy, good reads.
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I have a problem with abstinence. It is unnatural and it does not work. When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up. Same with all STD's including AIDS. The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms. They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS. And as far as BIAS, I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy. The church itself.
 
Multi Sport said:
The Catholic Church does have its issues but its doctrines are not it. It's the people, like in any organization, that cause the problems. Like I said.. too many people making big $$ and add power to that.
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The doctrines are the people and vise versa. They could have female clergy or married priests but than the power structure would have to change. But instead, you leave the antiquated doctrines in place to keep the evil empire growing. Pour money into new missions in places with less education and infrastructure but never take a positive role leading the locals against drug cartels or corrupt politicians. They really turned there back on Central America and now we end up with 100's of thousands refugees fleeing poverty, death and corruption. All the while the Catholic Church says it represents these people. It sure takes the money form those who can barely feed themselves.
 
QUOTE="Andy Dukes, post: 252572, member: 1268"

I have a problem with abstinence.
It is unnatural and it does not work.
When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up.
Same with all STD's including AIDS.
The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms.
They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS.
And as far as BIAS......
I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy.
The church itself.

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Andy....
Andy ....
Andy....is that YOU ?

" Holy " Crappola.....YOU POSTED THE TRUTH FOR ONCE !

Most Humans ( Catholics ) will shy far away from what YOU just Posted !

THE TRUTH !

 
tenacious said:
One comment I will make, is having now lived almost 2 years in "Progressive" controlled NYC... is boy have I soured on socialists. The highest taxes in the country, beat up infrastructure and what feels like everyday another story about how another of the progressive pet projects has blown through another billion with no results.

I love the city but it's hard not to feel like the future of the country is out west.
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" Tiny " T.....is that you ?

What's going on here....!

I'm in SHOCK !
 
Andy Dukes said:
I have a problem with abstinence. It is unnatural and it does not work. When abstinence is taught to kids as the only safe way to not get pregnant, teen pregnancies go up. Same with all STD's including AIDS. The Catholic Church worked hard to stop governments from handing out condoms. They actively worked against NGO organizations that were doing great work to stop AIDS. And as far as BIAS, I posted the article from the Catholic Church to show the source of this evil idiocracy. The church itself.
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If you read the article you would have seen that HIV infections were going down in Africa was being taught then rose when the United States got involved and changed the process from abstinence to condom use. So your own post goes against what you think.
 
Andy Dukes said:
The doctrines are the people and vise versa. They could have female clergy or married priests but than the power structure would have to change. But instead, you leave the antiquated doctrines in place to keep the evil empire growing. Pour money into new missions in places with less education and infrastructure but never take a positive role leading the locals against drug cartels or corrupt politicians. They really turned there back on Central America and now we end up with 100's of thousands refugees fleeing poverty, death and corruption. All the while the Catholic Church says it represents these people. It sure takes the money form those who can barely feed themselves.
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Your kinda late to the party. There are already Priest who are married and women Priedt are on their way. You are also just singling out Catholics and not the Church as a whole. My Church is very active in India and Africa as are many of the local Churches. Not sure where you get your information from but much of it is wrong or misguided. You used the word evil twice so it's obvious that you are biased against at least the Catholic Church. Yes, some evil things have happened within the Catholic Church but that's why I posted, the people corrupt, not the doctrines.

And what about the drug dealers? You really believe any Church is going to stsnd up to a cartel? You must be smokin the good stuff if you believe that! That's where the government SHOULD be avtive and not turning a blind eye.
 
Multi Sport said:
Your kinda late to the party. There are already Priest who are married and women Priedt are on their way. You are also just singling out Catholics and not the Church as a whole. My Church is very active in India and Africa as are many of the local Churches. Not sure where you get your information from but much of it is wrong or misguided. You used the word evil twice so it's obvious that you are biased against at least the Catholic Church. Yes, some evil things have happened within the Catholic Church but that's why I posted, the people corrupt, not the doctrines.

And what about the drug dealers? You really believe any Church is going to stsnd up to a cartel? You must be smokin the good stuff if you believe that! That's where the government SHOULD be avtive and not turning a blind eye.
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Coucoo.
 
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