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Hüsker Dü said:
Don't get to far out over your skis, DACA is still the law . . . because as Trump said today, "Chuck and Nancy want a deal." So does Donald, and he didn't even mention the Republicans in the room.
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Like I said, so much for the law.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Don't get to far out over your skis, DACA is still the law . . . because as Trump said today, "Chuck and Nancy want a deal." So does Donald, and he didn't even mention the Republicans in the room.
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That's what the discussion is about...making it law as opposed to an executive order which DACA is...
The President doesn't make immigration law, he enforces it. Congress needs to address immigration law.
It's up to Congress to pass a law that allows the DACA folks to stay here legally & become citizens.
Let's hope they can do their job for something worthwhile and meaningful
 
Bruddah IZ said:
How would we know if their undocumented? Asking is considered racist, no?
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You guys aren't meeting the right Mexicans. I'm telling you, in 12 years as a soccer dad at the highest youth levels, I have met so many awesome Mexican families...undoubtedly some who snuck over or their parents did. They work hard, contribute to the community...they have like their own g--d-mn economy, what with $5 cell phones and $50 soccer cleats and such. They get coffee tables for $10 and sand and varnish and make nicer ones in their homes than i have for hundreds. My kids are welcome in their houses in downtown LA and Corona and La Puente, etc. and vice versa.
Spending time with the families offers a different perspective...nobody is a "taker," they are real contributors. You would like them more than most of the f--kers we meet in life and on our kids' pitches.

I am for enforcing immigration laws. My perspective on the individuals who are here, however, is more personal and sympathetic, I think, than some of yours...
 
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xav10 said:
You guys aren't meeting the right Mexicans.
Spending time with the families offers a different perspective...nobody is a "taker,"
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I don't think you are paying attention. I have a friend who is the manager in a 95% hispanic team and he told me 1/2 the team wont pay. Where can you get an Iphone for 5 bucks and where can you get $300 mercurial shoes for 50 bucks? You really need to think before you write this kind of BS.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
I don't think you are paying attention. I have a friend who is the manager in a 95% hispanic team and he told me 1/2 the team wont pay. Where can you get an Iphone for 5 bucks and where can you get $300 mercurial shoes for 50 bucks? You really need to think before you write this kind of BS.
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Getting the parents with the lowest incomes to pay Club soccer prices can be tough that's for sure, but that's not really the issue being discussed here about whether DACA recipients can add to our society constructively.
 
Wez said:
Getting the parents with the lowest incomes to pay Club soccer prices can be tough that's for sure, but that's not really the issue being discussed here about whether DACA recipients can add to our society constructively.
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I am responding to x and his claim that no dreamers aren't takers.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
I don't think you are paying attention. I have a friend who is the manager in a 95% hispanic team and he told me 1/2 the team wont pay. Where can you get an Iphone for 5 bucks and where can you get $300 mercurial shoes for 50 bucks? You really need to think before you write this kind of BS.
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I have paid attention for years and different experiences I guess. Start with DHgate.com for the cleats. My kid is in em. $300 cleats for $55. The kid phone is a $5/mo Apple Watch -looking thing so they can call parents and a few other numbers. I forget the name. As for payment, the "entitled" ones who are told they're good get scholarships...my oldest played with much better teammates that way. If they aren't that good or just won't pay, boot 'em like anybody else.
 
xav10 said:
You guys aren't meeting the right Mexicans. I'm telling you, in 12 years as a soccer dad at the highest youth levels, I have met so many awesome Mexican families...undoubtedly some who snuck over or their parents did. They work hard, contribute to the community...they have like their own g--d-mn economy, what with $5 cell phones and $50 soccer cleats and such. They get coffee tables for $10 and sand and varnish and make nicer ones in their homes than i have for hundreds. My kids are welcome in their houses in downtown LA and Corona and La Puente, etc. and vice versa.
Spending time with the families offers a different perspective...nobody is a "taker," they are real contributors. You would like them more than most of the f--kers we meet in life and on our kids' pitches.

I am for enforcing immigration laws. My perspective on the individuals who are here, however, is more personal and sympathetic, I think, than some of yours...
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Iʻve had those same experiences. And agree with much of what you are saying here. So what about the law?
 
Wez said:
Getting the parents with the lowest incomes to pay Club soccer prices can be tough that's for sure, but that's not really the issue being discussed here about whether DACA recipients can add to our society constructively.
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The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.
Thomas Sowell, Is Reality Optional?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Iʻve had those same experiences. And agree with much of what you are saying here. So what about the law?
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I'm for enforcement of immigration laws. Haven't really investigated the whole Dreamer /Daca thing. We do need to tighten our borders by land, by sea and by air...no doubt about that.
 
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