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Lion Eyes said:
The far left PC fanatics will push as far as they can.
Unfortunately this cheapens real debate and solving the issues & problems....
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The extremes shouldn't be allowed to set policy or lead the debate. I simply feel that by Trump equating the protesters with those they protest, and by equating national hero's with those that wanted to tear the nation apart he is complicit in an attempt to render the right to speak up for oneself or group useless . . . and to judge those past national figures by their worst actions. Although slave owners, Washington and Jefferson helped forge and develop a nation. What did Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and many others do to further this grand experiment? What did they do to deserve to be honored by statues erected decades after their deaths? Don't destroy these statues, put them in museums. Those statues only stand as reminders of the repression of slavery and dishonor those whose ancestors were held in chains. It would be like erecting statues of hitler (which the KKK and their brethren would love to do).
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The extremes shouldn't be allowed to set policy or lead the debate. I simply feel that by Trump equating the protesters with those they protest, and by equating national hero's with those that wanted to tear the nation apart he is complicit in an attempt to render the right to speak up for oneself or group useless . . . and to judge those past national figures by their worst actions. Although slave owners, Washington and Jefferson helped forge and develop a nation. What did Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and many others do to further this grand experiment? What did they do to deserve to be honored by statues erected decades after their deaths? Don't destroy these statues, put them in museums. Those statues only stand as reminders of the repression of slavery and dishonor those whose ancestors were held in chains. It would be like erecting statues of hitler (which the KKK and their brethren would love to do).
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Or a statue of Che Guevara
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Or a statue of Che Guevara
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Exactly, what has he done to merit any honors. We don't want to erase history, but we don't want honor those who don't deserve it either. There were/are fights over crosses on public property (prompting devil worshippers to want to erected, and have tax payer money fund maintenance of their symbols), we shouldn't have religious symbols or symbols of repression on public property either.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The extremes shouldn't be allowed to set policy or lead the debate. I simply feel that by Trump equating the protesters with those they protest, and by equating national hero's with those that wanted to tear the nation apart he is complicit in an attempt to render the right to speak up for oneself or group useless . . . and to judge those past national figures by their worst actions. Although slave owners, Washington and Jefferson helped forge and develop a nation. What did Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and many others do to further this grand experiment? What did they do to deserve to be honored by statues erected decades after their deaths? Don't destroy these statues, put them in museums. Those statues only stand as reminders of the repression of slavery and dishonor those whose ancestors were held in chains. It would be like erecting statues of hitler (which the KKK and their brethren would love to do).
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Facists are Facists. Same Same
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Exactly, what has he done to merit any honors. We don't want to erase history, but we don't want honor those who don't deserve it either. There were/are fights over crosses on public property (prompting devil worshippers to want to erected, and have tax payer money fund maintenance of their symbols), we shouldn't have religious symbols or symbols of repression on public property either.
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How about money?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Or a statue of Che Guevara
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The problem with the pc police is they are seemingly never satisfied..
Remove some statues & monuments, most folks are compassionate enough to understand.
Most folks agree that it shouldn't be done by an angry mob....or like the mob in Berkeley that stifled speech they deemed disagreeable.
The next thing you know a sports caster named Robert Lee is removed from a football game in Virginia.
Gone with Wind & Tom Sawyer are suspect and Washington, Jefferson & Jackson should be censured.
 
Lion Eyes said:
The problem with the pc police is they are seemingly never satisfied..
Remove some statues & monuments, most folks are compassionate enough to understand.
Most folks agree that it shouldn't be done by an angry mob....or like the mob in Berkeley that stifled speech they deemed disagreeable.
The next thing you know a sports caster named Robert Lee is removed from a football game in Virginia.
Gone with Wind & Tom Sawyer are suspect and Washington, Jefferson & Jackson should be censured.
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One man's trash is another man's treasure . . . I have yet to here an argument, good or otherwise, in defense of the Confederate statues remaining, and being maintained, on public property outside of, "They have been there a long time".
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Whatever the man in charge says, I am personally in favor of almost anything that will save American lives, including building a wall, do you consider that torture?
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"Whatever the man in charge says" how telling a statement that is!

So equal treatment in equal measure no matter how harsh?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
"Whatever the man in charge says" how telling a statement that is!

So equal treatment in equal measure no matter how harsh?
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I don't pretent to know everything as you do, who better than the President to decide what is right for the situation. Is killing a terrorist better than using data inhanced interrogation?
Let's used waterboarding, I would allow that.
What you consider torture I may not.
A terrorist giving Hillary a moustache ride is going a little too far for me. I do have my limits.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Can you find a civic project with a statue of Che in the USA?
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/11/new_york_honors_che_guevara_wi.html

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Sheriff Joe said:
I don't pretent to know everything as you do, who better than the President to decide what is right for the situation. Is killing a terrorist better than using data inhanced interrogation?
Let's used waterboarding, I would allow that.
What you consider torture I may not.
A terrorist giving Hillary a moustache ride is going a little too far for me. I do have my limits.
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I prefer that the professionals make those kinds of decisions. All that was attributed to Obama without merit and the uselessness of Trump shows how little the president actually affects anything or should be allowed to (they are simply figureheads, the face of the nation and are primarily there to give speeches and set tone . . . to which Trump is absolutely a void, when will he acknowledge the sailors that have died due to ships colliding?). Presidents come and go, Generals and other military/intelligence officials remain. You may want the president to be an autocrat, but I certainly don't . . . checks and balances.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
One man's trash is another man's treasure . . . I have yet to here an argument, good or otherwise, in defense of the Confederate statues remaining, and being maintained, on public property outside of, "They have been there a long time".
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Echo chamber...
Remove some statues & monuments, most folks are compassionate enough to understand.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
I prefer that the professionals make those kinds of decisions. All that was attributed to Obama without merit and the uselessness of Trump shows how little the president actually affects anything or should be allowed to (they are simply figureheads, the face of the nation and are primarily there to give speeches and set tone . . . to which Trump is absolutely a void, when will he acknowledge the sailors that have died due to ships colliding?). Presidents come and go, Generals and other military/intelligence officials remain. You may want the president to be an autocrat, but I certainly don't . . . checks and balances.
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If what you say is true, why does your side want him out so bad?
 
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