Ponderable

Hüsker Dü said:
Even if he has those connections he won't talk to them, he will just lie some more.
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Obviously it just pisses me off. So, a little research.

http://job-openings.monster.com/Machine-Operator-Irvine-CA-US-Randstad/11/186199555
That one is in Irvine at $16 to $17 an hour.

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Lollicup...-Operator-7145be62fd8dc95b?q=Machine+Operator
$14 to $17

https://jobs.smartrecruiters.com/MATHoldings/743999656819721-manufacturing-machine-operator
$10.50 to $17

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=81acbf3890fca279&from=recjobs&vjtk=1bmvpqeoqbhsuejk
$15 to $16

Enough of this bullshit.
 
Andy Dukes said:
You are confusing Programmers and Set Up people with machine operators. Your friends if they are in business in California are not paying $30 an hour for a button pusher. The folks who stand in front of the machine and load parts are not worth more than $15 and I have been in thousands of shops. Thousands. Many, many thousands. I know more machine shop owners than you ever will. Call your friends and ask them if you are talking parts loaders or programmers?
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The machines you are describing can be run by a monkey, the ones you stated over a year ago you were selling needed
skilled operators and programmers in an office......big difference.
And my friends don't own much of the push button shit that I'm aware of, high end manufacturing of specialty parts....
They most likely have some of the " Monkey " machines down stream , but not for the work I know about.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Obviously it just pisses me off. So, a little research.

http://job-openings.monster.com/Machine-Operator-Irvine-CA-US-Randstad/11/186199555
That one is in Irvine at $16 to $17 an hour.

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Lollicup...-Operator-7145be62fd8dc95b?q=Machine+Operator
$14 to $17

https://jobs.smartrecruiters.com/MATHoldings/743999656819721-manufacturing-machine-operator
$10.50 to $17

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=81acbf3890fca279&from=recjobs&vjtk=1bmvpqeoqbhsuejk
$15 to $16

Enough of this bullshit.
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That's decent money for just standing around pushing buttons!

Seems some people in here would rather tell you about your business than learn something about something they know little about . . . I have dealt with that a bit myself over the years.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
That's decent money for just standing around pushing buttons!

Seems some people in here would rather tell you about your business than learn something about something they know little about . . . I have dealt with that a bit myself over the years.
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It is why robots are making more and more inroads. Even at those wages it is a shit job for many depending on the parts and cycle time. For many aprts, the operator is bored shitless and then has to hustle when the machine is ready to be unloaded and reloaded for machining. One of our best products allows the operator to load the machine while it is machining a duplicate set up, making the machine time the operation and not the operator.
 
nononono said:
The machines you are describing can be run by a monkey, the ones you stated over a year ago you were selling needed
skilled operators and programmers in an office......big difference.
And my friends don't own much of the push button shit that I'm aware of, high end manufacturing of specialty parts....
They most likely have some of the " Monkey " machines down stream , but not for the work I know about.
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You have no fucking idea what you are talking about,,,,,,,, again. And you owe me an apology,,,,,, again.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Obviously it just pisses me off. So, a little research.

http://job-openings.monster.com/Machine-Operator-Irvine-CA-US-Randstad/11/186199555
That one is in Irvine at $16 to $17 an hour.

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Lollicup...-Operator-7145be62fd8dc95b?q=Machine+Operator
$14 to $17

https://jobs.smartrecruiters.com/MATHoldings/743999656819721-manufacturing-machine-operator
$10.50 to $17

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=81acbf3890fca279&from=recjobs&vjtk=1bmvpqeoqbhsuejk
$15 to $16

Enough of this bullshit.
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You stepped in it......



Sparton Technology Corporation -
$21 - $27 an hour
Set up CNC Milling Machines or. We are looking for skilled machinists that can setup vertical milling machines, horizontal machining centers, or lathes....

O&M Tech IV - Machinist
Metropolitan Water District of Southern California - Parker Dam, CA $32.55 - $42.85 an hour
The Metropolitan Water District of Southern California is committed to providing reasonable accommodations to qualified individuals with disabilities....

CNC Machinist/Programmer
Swiss Machine Products, Inc. - Anaheim, CA 92806 $22 - $27 an hour
The position oversees six Haas lathes, one Takisawa TC-2 lathe, One Machine Set-Up Assistant, and one Machine Operator....

So your telling me you are selling machines to replace the positions I quickly looked up for close to the pay scale I stated and taking those
skilled individuals and cutting their pay damn near in half. How about pay the wage, sell the machines along with an equivalent bureaucracy
cut and still make a profit. ( This right here would take you thinking different. )
The workers retain $ 30.00 an hour, the Gov gets out of the employers shorts, you still make a commission, the
price of the product remains competitive, and consumers get a locally manufactured item.

Wow !
 
Hüsker Dü said:
That's decent money for just standing around pushing buttons!

Seems some people in here would rather tell you about your business than learn something about something they know little about . . . I have dealt with that a bit myself over the years.
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You freakin hypocrite, what do you pull in for grunt labor " Busting Rods ".....this is my whole point.
The robotics is good as long as it doesn't affect a Liberals pay......or a Liberals Commission !
 
nononono said:
You stepped in it......



Sparton Technology Corporation -
$21 - $27 an hour
Set up CNC Milling Machines or. We are looking for skilled machinists that can setup vertical milling machines, horizontal machining centers, or lathes....

O&M Tech IV - Machinist
Metropolitan Water District of Southern California - Parker Dam, CA $32.55 - $42.85 an hour
The Metropolitan Water District of Southern California is committed to providing reasonable accommodations to qualified individuals with disabilities....

CNC Machinist/Programmer
Swiss Machine Products, Inc. - Anaheim, CA 92806 $22 - $27 an hour
The position oversees six Haas lathes, one Takisawa TC-2 lathe, One Machine Set-Up Assistant, and one Machine Operator....

So your telling me you are selling machines to replace the positions I quickly looked up for close to the pay scale I stated and taking those
skilled individuals and cutting their pay damn near in half. How about pay the wage, sell the machines along with an equivalent bureaucracy
cut and still make a profit. ( This right here would take you thinking different. )
The workers retain $ 30.00 an hour, the Gov gets out of the employers shorts, you still make a commission, the
price of the product remains competitive, and consumers get a locally manufactured item.

Wow !
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Dumbass, those are not machine operators. You can't replace set up guys or programmers with robots. They are not operators. Understand? They do not spend hours standing in front of the machines. They get them ready for the $15 an hour person to run and then go to the next machine and do the same thing. They are too valuable to stand in front of the machine. Most programmers don't leave the air conditioned office. My son in law is a set up guy. Setting up 4 Haas mills. He makes about $22 an hour. My engineers and machinist are in the $30 to $35 hour range and hey are cream of the crop. That includes my mechanical ME's with degrees.

And your reference at MWD is for a Journeyman Machinist, a very rare breed anymore. That guy will make parts costing $50 to $100k and one off. No chance for a mistake. I know that because I have been in their shop in La Verne and they are in a buying pattern.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Dumbass, those are not machine operators. You can't replace set up guys or programmers with robots. They are not operators. Understand? They do not spend hours standing in front of the machines. They get them ready for the $15 an hour person to run and then go to the next machine and do the same thing. They are too valuable to stand in front of the machine. Most programmers don't leave the air conditioned office. My son in law is a set up guy. Setting up 4 Haas mills. He makes about $22 an hour. My engineers and machinist are in the $30 to $35 hour range and hey are cream of the crop. That includes my mechanical ME's with degrees.

And your reference at MWD is for a Journeyman Machinist, a very rare breed anymore. That guy will make parts costing $50 to $100k and one off. No chance for a mistake. I know that because I have been in their shop in La Verne and they are in a buying pattern.
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Tame a breath bro, nonuts will troll you all day long....and threaten your kids too apparently.
 
QUOTE="Andy Dukes, post: 104688, member: 1268" Dumbass, those are not machine operators. You can't replace set up guys or programmers with robots. They are not operators. Understand? They do not spend hours standing in front of the machines. They get them ready for the $15 an hour person to run and then go to the next machine and do the same thing. They are too valuable to stand in front of the machine. Most programmers don't leave the air conditioned office. My son in law is a set up guy. Setting up 4 Haas mills. He makes about $22 an hour. My engineers and machinist are in the $30 to $35 hour range and hey are cream of the crop. That includes my mechanical ME's with degrees.

Looks like you don't pay well... for any position.

And your reference at MWD is for a Journeyman Machinist, a very rare breed anymore. That guy will make parts costing $50 to $100k and one off. No chance for a mistake. I know that because I have been in their shop in La Verne and they are in a buying pattern.

Good for you....

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Had enough.....

I will remember this conversation....
 
Andy Dukes said:
it was started by a group of men who were most certainly Democrats.
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Just state that the Democrats in general own the KKK . That's the Truth, and that is NOT taught to inner city youth.
How about the African American community be taught the REAL truth about Democrats. That's a thought !!!!!
 
 
nononono said:
Just state that the Democrats in general own the KKK . That's the Truth, and that is NOT taught to inner city youth.
How about the African American community be taught the REAL truth about Democrats. That's a thought !!!!!
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I never claimed anything else. I think all students should be taught that, along with the fact that the Republican North Carolina Legislature was just slapped by SCOTUS for making voting laws that specifically tried to stop African Americans from their lawful ability to vote. I think people should know all of that.

Did you learn anything about machine shop operations?
 
nononono said:
Ok.....enough.
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Enough of what? Your stupid remarks and calling me a liar about something you have no fucking clue what you are talking about?

I know, I don't know enough about iron work to question RP. Or to tell Aff how to lay out a drain. Or to tell LE how to lay out a construction schedule. You somehow thought you knew more than me on something I am a fucking expert on.

Fuck you.
 
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