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tenacious said:
So to bring this back to my original point... comparing our economy to European socialist economies is apples and oranges given that we pay for the vast majority of their defense.

However much you want to claim we've made from our European trading partners, it doesn't change the fact that it's not enough to both pay to maintain peace in the West, and at the same time pay for the cushy social programs. (This is where you're going to say well we should stop paying for their defense, and I'm going to point out that Europe's military history doesn't make me think it's going to be any cheaper.)
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It's the 'price of doing business' in a safe, prosperous world. The US, and the world, wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today if the US had pulled back into an isolationist position.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
It's the 'price of doing business' in a safe, prosperous world. The US, and the world, wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today if the US had pulled back into an isolationist position.
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I agree. However, I also think it's fair to say free trade deals that allow Europe and China to protect their industries while giving them unfettered access to the American market could be reworked so they are more in our favor. I also think it's fair to go to a country like Germany, who is does billions in business with Russia... and say more of the cost of protecting them from the Russians is going to need to be carried by them. None of this seems unreasonable to me.
 
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Racist Joe said:
Don't you wonder how the hell the presidents kids got into Penn?
I know Trump won't show his grades, how about theirs?
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Trump wasn't the president.
Just a simple question, no need to get nasty so early in the day.

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Racist Joe said:
Don't you wonder how the hell the presidents kids got into Penn?
I know Trump won't show his grades, how about theirs?
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You know Fred spent a large amount in an attempt to get little donny edumacated and to have his otherwise healthy athlete, "I was a top athlete, coulda played for the Yankees, would have been the best . . . but I wanted to go into business", declared to be suffering from bone spurs.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You know Fred spent a large amount in an attempt to get little donny edumacated and to have his otherwise healthy athlete, "I was a top athlete, coulda played for the Yankees, would have been the best . . . but I wanted to go into business", declared to be suffering from bone spurs.
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And?
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Don't you wonder how the hell the presidents kid got into Harvard?
I know Obama won't show his grades, how about hers?
The fact her coach is mixed up in this scandal is a little bit strange.
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It has been reported the tennis coach gave lessons to Michelle and the girls. Not uncommon for families to take tennis lessons. I don't think those girls are going to Harvard on a tennis scholarship.
 
Andy Dukes said:
It has been reported the tennis coach gave lessons to Michelle and the girls. Not uncommon for families to take tennis lessons. I don't think those girls are going to Harvard on a tennis scholarship.
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I would think t supporters would be all for this. t cheated his way through life, I thought their motto was, "If you aren't cheating you aren't trying"? It's the way of the wealthy (it's what t campaigned on saying the system was rigged against, "the forgotten ones" and he was on their side, LOL!!!!), it's why our system favors the monied class (they get a bigger say, the more wealth the bigger the voice).
 
Hüsker Dü said:
I would think t supporters would be all for this. t cheated his way through life, I thought their motto was, "If you aren't cheating you aren't trying"? It's the way of the wealthy (it's what t campaigned on saying the system was rigged against, "the forgotten ones" and he was on their side, LOL!!!!), it's why our system favors the monied class (they get a bigger say, the more wealth the bigger the voice).
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See Hillary Clinton as an example...
 
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