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Lion Eyes said:
If we don't fight these "freedom fighters" over there we will be fighting them in the streets of Europe and America...another old cliché but true.
Tell me, how do you negotiate with people who support the training, funding & arming of terrorists, who line people up and cut their throats or burn them alive or worse?
Going back in history, when has negotiating with terrorists, lunatics or fanatics worked out in the long run?
As far as moral authority goes, what morals do terrorists possess?
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I don't live in Europe and I don't see the streets of LA being more dangerous than they already are.

What do local governments have authority over? Moral or otherwise?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
I dont know where you're going with this.
Is it going to end up like your Bill and Hillary theory?
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Where can you go? Lion just keeps talking tough about not using diplomacy and fighting terrorists "over there" and implies we should just keep hoping sanctions against Iran lead to some magical place where they don't hate us and want to kill us, all the while, implicitly saying we should be conquering them instead of negotiating with them, yet has no actual plan to do anything, which is the problem with all the "tough talking" conservatives...
 
Andy Dukes said:
I don't live in Europe and I don't see the streets of LA being more dangerous than they already are.

What do local governments have authority over? Moral or otherwise?
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Twin Towers...9/11?
San Bernardino ring any bells?
Before during and after this "historic" agreement with Iran, the official Iranian motto has not changed, "Death to America"
 
Wez said:
Where can you go? Lion just keeps talking tough about not using diplomacy and fighting terrorists "over there" and implies we should just keep hoping sanctions against Iran lead to some magical place where they don't hate us and want to kill us, all the while, implicitly saying we should be conquering them instead of negotiating with them, yet has no actual plan to do anything, which is the problem with all the "tough talking" conservatives...
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Hoping is what this agreement is.
Neville Chamberlain negotiated with a terrorists state run by madmen & came back and declared: "Peace for Our Time"
"We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again."
How'd that turn out?
The "tough talking conservative" didn't declared victory in Iraq and then haul ass.
They did not brush ISIS aside and declare them the "JV team".
They didn't draw lines in the sand regarding the use of gas only to ignore it & empower the regime responsible.
They didn't support the overthrow of Gadhafi opening the door for the "jv team"

We are fighting people who would kill everyone on this soccer site if given the chance.

Have been watching the Today Show rerun of 9/11 on MSNBC.
15 years ago I watched it live...it was unbelievable then.
Watching it today it still was....
 
Lion Eyes said:
We are fighting people who would kill everyone on this soccer site if given the chance.
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We're already killing ISIS on a daily basis, "OVER THERE", so we're doing something about them. What would you have us do with Iran? Stop talking tough and start proposing solutions.
 
Lion Eyes said:
Twin Towers...9/11?
San Bernardino ring any bells?
Before during and after this "historic" agreement with Iran, the official Iranian motto has not changed, "Death to America"
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San Bernardino was carried out by an American. As were many other acts of terror.

Post 9/11 is a different world than pre 9/11. Today I flew with no issues form LAX to O'Hare. Locked doors and screening solved the issues that allowed those murders to carry out their plan. Sometimes it is the simple things that solve big problems and sometimes like with drones, the easy answer might be the worst answer.
 
espola said:
What did Iran have to do with Twin Towers?
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Who said it did?
Other than Iran being a state funder of terrorism all over the world , nothing.
What did Germany have to do with Pearl Harbor?

Follow the entire conversation and it might make more sense....good luck following anything.
 
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Andy Dukes said:
San Bernardino was carried out by an American. As were many other acts of terror.

Post 9/11 is a different world than pre 9/11. Today I flew with no issues form LAX to O'Hare. Locked doors and screening solved the issues that allowed those murders to carry out their plan. Sometimes it is the simple things that solve big problems and sometimes like with drones, the easy answer might be the worst answer.
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An American born terrorist and his Pakistan wife who were "inspired by foreign terrorist organizations.
Pre and post 9/11 are very different worlds.
We have lost freedoms we enjoyed prior to the attack.
Trusting Iran is the easy answer...
 
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Lion Eyes said:
Who said it did?
Other than Iran being a state funder of terrorism all over the world , nothing.
What did Germany have to do with Pearl Harbor?

Follow the entire conversation and it might make more sense....good luck following anything.
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So you are just throwing out slogans at random?
 
Lion Eyes said:
An American born terrorist and his Pakistan wife who were "inspired by foreign terrorist organizations.
Pre and post 9/11 are very different worlds.
We have lost freedoms we enjoyed prior to the attack.
Trusting Iran is the easy answer...
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No one is asking to trust Iran.
 
Look people you are not going to change anything in the US, as long as counties are trading Oil in US dollars and they are not messing with oil price stability, we will leave them alone. Isis is a harmless bad guy (by comparison) to feed our Industrial Millitary complex's appitite so be thankfull we have them. We do not want to give the industrial military complex another reason to go have a big war.
just keep the worlds countries trading oil in US Dollars to keep our economic advantage over the worlds economies and have a harmless badguy to scare americans enough to continue to give enourmous amounts of money to the industrial military complex and we are good. But be careful, if there is any counrty that starts trading oil in another currency besides US dollars or Countries try to work out there own deals with the
saudi's or Our military industrial complex cannot show shareholer profits, then we WILL have another war.
And not against a bunch of guys running around in sandels with equipment we supplied them. This war will be against russia/iran/china.
 
SOCCERMINION said:
Look people you are not going to change anything in the US, as long as counties are trading Oil in US dollars and they are not messing with oil price stability, we will leave them alone. Isis is a harmless bad guy (by comparison) to feed our Industrial Millitary complex's appitite so be thankfull we have them. We do not want to give the industrial military complex another reason to go have a big war.
just keep the worlds countries trading oil in US Dollars to keep our economic advantage over the worlds economies and have a harmless badguy to scare americans enough to continue to give enourmous amounts of money to the industrial military complex and we are good. But be careful, if there is any counrty that starts trading oil in another currency besides US dollars or Countries try to work out there own deals with the
saudi's or Our military industrial complex cannot show shareholer profits, then we WILL have another war.
And not against a bunch of guys running around in sandels with equipment we supplied them. This war will be against russia/iran/china.
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Coocoe
 
espola said:
Coocoe
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Do some research, learn a bit about petrodollar and look how this drives our economy and how its even now driving recent events,
"Saudi Arabia warned it could proceed to sell off billions worth of US treasury bonds if a bill passed that would allow the kingdom to be held liable in U.S. courts for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The Saudi threat has not yet materialized, but if it did, it would pull billions of dollars out of the US treasury bond market – it would be a move of great moment, symbolically ending more than 40 years of cooperation in the petrodollar system
 
SOCCERMINION said:
Do some research, learn a bit about petrodollar and look how this drives our economy and how its even now driving recent events,
"Saudi Arabia warned it could proceed to sell off billions worth of US treasury bonds if a bill passed that would allow the kingdom to be held liable in U.S. courts for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The Saudi threat has not yet materialized, but if it did, it would pull billions of dollars out of the US treasury bond market – it would be a move of great moment, symbolically ending more than 40 years of cooperation in the petrodollar system
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Why do I need to do your research?
 
Lion Eyes said:
What do all three countries have in common?
Terrorists.
I imagine the civilians being raped, killed and enslaved by folks like ISIS consider those acts of terrorism.
These terrorists like to line folks up and shoot them one by one or cut their throats.
Let's not forget the little one's shooting hostages in the back of the head that was posted earlier...
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I imagine you don't consider the shootings in Chicago or Los Angeles acts of terrorism?

By the way when was the last time they lined people up and shot them and how many did they line up?
 
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