So you hired a flim flam man and therefore all lawyers are alike... got it.
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Not all of them, but some are, so it is a possibility one should take into account.
How about you? You still willing to believe everything a lawyer says, even when you know he's been wrong?
Still willing to believe everything?
I was taught to respectfully question authority, especially governmental authority.
I'm more than willing to call bull when I feel it's bull...
But the only wrong committed in Wyoming was perpetrated by the EPA...not the lawyers who represented Johnson.
That was the part I disagreed about in the first place. The EPA and Corps of Engineers, once they are made aware of a possible transgression of the law, are legally bound to investigate and follow up on what they find. They can't just say "Oops, too much politics there", or "He's just a little guy, so we'll let it go".
Or would you rather it be that way?
I'm a 'States Rights' guy.
F the federal government. Unelected officials making sweeping changes in the law is not how it's suppose to be.
Wyoming is a long way from DC. The ruling went along ways to saying we're not buying your politics here.
Maybe the 64 million dollar question is, how did the EPA find out about this pond?
Did, as you say, a neighbor complain? The folks in places like Wyoming, Montana or Idaho don't care to much for the federal government as a general rule.
Does the EPA monitor state pond permits?
Did the EPA notice it in a flyover, plane or satellite?
That question might be interesting to know the answer to.
You'd like to know how the EPA found out? I've been asking that question for months.
I'll let it pass since you sound like a city slicker, but if a dryland rancher in the old days thought someone was messing with his water, the problem would be solved with threats of guns and rope.
Nowadays we are much more civilized. We hire lawyers to threaten people.
This is why having a civil conversation with you is impossible...city slicker?
You'll give me a pass? You pompous jackass, I don't no stinkin pass from you.
Since all the other questions have been answered, I said MAYBE the question is how did the EPA find out.
You grew up in New England...and your talking about guns and a rope? You carpet bagging buffoon...
This city slicker was born in Tucson Ar. & grew up in rural Ventura County, as if somehow this matters at all.
You want to know the answer to your question, get off that fat ass of yours and do some research.
As far as hiring lawyers is concerned, when a federal agency is threatening you & your way of life, you're damn straight you hire a lawyer.
Thankfully and apparently to your dismay the little guy won.
Geeezzuss...you're something else.
Why would I have dismay? Don't you read anything I post?
You apparently don't get the most obvious answer to your question, one that is begging to be disproven - Johnson was turned in to the Corps of Engineers and EPA by one of the neighbors whose water rights he usurped. That way they get free government lawyers to enforce their rights. Somebody born in Tucson should understand that, unless he spent all his time in a nice air-conditioned shopping mall.
The first time I saw a picture of Johnson's pond in a news report, I thought "Sweet! That turns his empty eight acres into the nicest place on the creek." Then I looked it up on Google maps, and compared it to other properties in the neighborhood - "That's not a stock pond. That's free-running water. I wonder what his downstream neighbors think of that?"
Wondering if maybe things were a little different in Wyoming. I did some research (lazy ass, my ass) on Wyoming State Engineer, State Ag Department, and State wildlife requirements. Not only is there no basis in anything I could find to support Johnson's pond being declared a "Stock Pond", there are suggestions from multiple agencies that he keep stock away from any such pond, and that his 8 acres, if fully given over to grazing land (that means no house, driveway, lawn, corral, dam, or pond) would support about 8/10 of 1 head of cattle, 1 head being defined as a free-ranging steer, or a mother and calf.
Now whenever you restart one of these conversations, you throw out everything I have posted in the past and quote Johnson's lawyer.
A couple of questions for you -- A. How many times does the term "stock pond" appear in statements from Johnson, his lawyer, PLF press releases, and news articles? B. How many times does the term "stock pond" appear in the settlement document?
I know you don't want to read the whole thing again (assuming you have already), so I will provide a little answer guide, without telling you which answer belongs to which question --
1. I lost track.
2. Zero.
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And as for New England guns and ropes, I used to live next door to the Orville Gibson farm in Newbury, Vt. Around Christmas time 1957, his hired hand came to work before dawn, still drunk from the night before, and spilled the entire product of the morning milking. Gibson beat the snot out of him. A few days later, Gibson disappeared. The hired hand had an iron-clad alibi - he was still in the hospital with his vital signs being recorded every few hours.
So by the time his frozen body, bound hand and foot, was raised from the Connecticut River in March of 1958, investigators had a pretty good idea about how the 47-year-old farmer had met his end. Vigilantes had come for him in the early hours of New Year’s Eve, trussed him up, and tossed him off a bridge.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...les-newbury/nwbywhBbvU88JXhFSo8tGN/story.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...les-newbury/nwbywhBbvU88JXhFSo8tGN/story.html
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You're the jack ass that made up the story that "Johnson was turned in to the Corps of Engineers and EPA by one of the neighbors whose water rights he usurped". Where did this hallucination come from?
Your dementia clouded mind makes up shit that others are suppose to disprove? Muahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa....
It's not up to me to prove you wrong...
My mistake was thinking you could have a lucid conversation
It appears you have selected "shopping mall".
Wez
DA
Are you seriously upset by being called a city slicker? I've seen you call him so much worse, get over yourself...
Wez
DA
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/provocateur-trump-speaks-at-hate-crime-site-666417731995
So was Reagan when he pandered to the people of Neshoba County, Philadelphia, Mississippi. They were pissed the Feds took over the investigation of Klan killings that otherwise were not going to happen. Those good people wanted nothing to do with the Feds who wanted justice for Klan murders.
Trump is doing something similar with his visit to Suffolk County in New York, another hate crime site where an investigation was not going to happen by local authorities.
States Rights indeed....until you end up on the wrong end of some State citizens.
Shut up and tell us all how upset this makes you...
Hillary Clinton continued sending classified information even after leaving the State Department, The Post has exclusively learned.
On May 28, 2013, months after stepping down as secretary of state, Clinton sent an email to a group of diplomats and top aides about the “123 Deal” with the United Arab Emirates.
http://nypost.com/2016/08/31/clinton-emailed-classified-information-after-leaving-state-dept/
Wez
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I'll give it the same amount of consideration you gave the post I just gave you...
Wow you wonder off subject much?
States Rights....you've heard of the Constitution? Read what it says about states rights.
The EPA is an over reaching, unelected code writing arm of the federal government.
In this case the states citizens were correct and the EPA was out of line.
Pond is still there EPA not so much.
If you would like to talk about civil rights and the attorney generals office.
I'm game.
