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Lion Eyes said:
When you hear the term “welfare state,” most people think of Europe and countries like Denmark or France. No doubt those countries offer a wide range of benefits targeted to the middle class, retirees and so forth.

But according to a study recently released by the Cato Institute, someone who is poor might just be better off in California.

The federal government currently funds more than 100 anti-poverty programs. While no one participates in all of them, many can and do collect assistance from multiple programs.

In California a mother with two children under the age of 5 who participates in these major welfare programs – Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (food stamps), housing assistance, home energy assistance, Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children – would receive a benefits package worth $30,828 per year......

....In fact, California’s welfare system can be more generous than every country included, except Denmark. Moreover, this benefit package doesn’t include Medicaid, which would be worth roughly $4,459 for this household.

One of the problems with these welfare systems is that they can create situations where participants have little incentive to increase work effort because they would lose most of their earnings through lower benefits or higher taxes, while also having to bear the costs, like transportation, associated with going to work. These people would see little tangible improvement in their standard of living by taking up a job, working more hours or moving up the job ladder.

People in these programs are not lazy, but they also are not stupid. Like everyone else, they respond to incentives. If welfare pays better than work, people on welfare will be less likely to work.

http://www.ocregister.com/2015/08/2...-welfare-state-than-most-countries-in-europe/
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The OC Reg article didn't cite a single source.
 
xav10 said:
You don't understand the system. The reason we have so many immigrants and such favorable welfare benefits is because the wealthy, who control things, like it that way. Why else? We have the most billionaires. It continues to work well when you blame the poor. This state is the best state in the union.
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Put the crack pipe down.
 
Lion Eyes said:
The Cato Institute and the OC Register are not reputable sources?

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/california-more-welfare-state-most-countries-europe
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Let's go slowly because you seem to be having comprehension problems. Nothing you have cited so far on this topic, OC Reg., the author Tanner or your Cato link, has cited a single source for their claims.

You claim CA spends 40% of it's Rev. on welfare, can you show me where you came up with that?

http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/
 
Wez said:
Let's go slowly because you seem to be having comprehension problems. Nothing you have cited so far on this topic, OC Reg., the author Tanner or your Cato link, has cited a single source for their claims.

You claim CA spends 40% of it's Rev. on welfare, can you show me where you came up with that?

http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/
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I did say that California spends 40% on welfare...I'll see if I can come up with the article for you.


This article was not an attempt to justify that number, but it is a conclusion from a study conducted by the folks at Cato.
THE SOURCE IS THE CATO INSTITUTE.
The second sentence in the article says as much.
Here according to Cato is how they reach their conclusions:
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Cato works vigorously to present citizens with incisive and understandable analysis.
 
Lion Eyes said:
I did say that California spends 40% on welfare...I'll see if I can come up with the article for you.


This article was not an attempt to justify that number, but it is a conclusion from a study conducted by the folks at Cato.
THE SOURCE IS THE CATO INSTITUTE.
The second sentence in the article says as much.
Here according to Cato is how they reach their conclusions:
Cato’s Resources & Outreach
In an era of sound bites and partisanship, Cato remains dedicated to providing clear, thoughtful, and independent analysis on vital public policy issues.
Using all means possible — from blogs, Web features, informative direct mail, op-eds and TV appearances, to conferences, research reports, speaking engagements, and books —
Cato works vigorously to present citizens with incisive and understandable analysis.
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Claiming CA spends 40% of it's Rev. on "welfare" is a shocking statistic, one worthy of verifiation, surely Cato or you can give us something to back it up?
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Put the crack pipe down.
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you poor thing. all this stuff going on, people making shitloads of dough, and you're sitting there crying about immigrants and welfare. you must enjoy it, because here you are in the greatest state in the union! the land of opportunity! if i'm on crack, i'm gonna keep smoking, because things are goooood! And i was happy to pay those many hundreds of thousands in taxes this year, believe me.
 
xav10 said:
you poor thing. all this stuff going on, people making shitloads of dough, and you're sitting there crying about immigrants and welfare. you must enjoy it, because here you are in the greatest state in the union! the land of opportunity! if i'm on crack, i'm gonna keep smoking, because things are goooood! And i was happy to pay those many hundreds of thousands in taxes this year, believe me.
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These nutters are just a bunch of whiners. Everyone knows to live here you will pay more for it. We are the leaders of the country and the world. Where California goes EVERYONE follows, always been that way and will continue to be that way. Did you see Gov. Brown on 60 minutes? He gets more respect around the world than our so-called president.
 
Wez said:
Despite our idiot nutter population...
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You keep telling yourself, your spouse and your kids that and you are going to reap the results
of Lying to Them !

I set the standards for my off springs intellectual development well above any " State "
standards you and your fellow Libs use and are complacent with....

Based on the way you post and the tone you set I would hope your off spring have Independent
standards and steer well clear from your scale ....
 
Hüsker Dü said:
These nutters are just a bunch of whiners. Everyone knows to live here you will pay more for it. We are the leaders of the country and the world. Where California goes EVERYONE follows, always been that way and will continue to be that way. Did you see Gov. Brown on 60 minutes? He gets more respect around the world than our so-called president.
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I feel kind of bad for them. Even with Trump in office, they seem so upset about this great state they live in. Waaah, too many immigrants! Waaaahhh, too many welfare recipients. Bunch of f'in crybabies. They should move to Alabama or South Dakota.
 
xav10 said:
you poor thing. all this stuff going on, people making shitloads of dough, and you're sitting there crying about immigrants and welfare. you must enjoy it, because here you are in the greatest state in the union! the land of opportunity! if i'm on crack, i'm gonna keep smoking, because things are goooood! And i was happy to pay those many hundreds of thousands in taxes this year, believe me.
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Yeah, yeah.
 
xav10 said:
I feel kind of bad for them. Even with Trump in office, they seem so upset about this great state they live in. Waaah, too many immigrants! Waaaahhh, too many welfare recipients. Bunch of f'in crybabies. They should move to Alabama or South Dakota.
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Yeah, no doubt! Wanna see what lack of tax revenue does for a state go to Alabama, Mississippi or one of those other "red states" . . . but then again, these guys "think" they would enjoy a more "rustic" life . . . until they find out the truth of it.
 
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