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Andy Dukes said:
I was responding to LE's post about how much Dems spent. I found it curios he did not state that the Repubs almost spent as much for a seat that had not voted for a Dem since Jimmy Carter was President.

Did I care when Obama lied? Yes. I left the party.

You need to separate lies from innuendo and questioning with the Russia stuff. I have not seen a whole bunch of lies. I have seen innuendo but mostly questioning. Questioning is valid just from the point of what the trump administration has done. They lied one by one about contacts with Russians. Trump has still not admitted the Russians hacked the election. Per Sessions, no one in the administration seems to give a rats ass that they hacked the election.

If you think this attempt to pass health care reform was anything like the last, you are being delusional. There were 18 months of hearings with experts, where Repubs and Dems asked questions. There were meetings with both Repubs and Dems. Obama asked key Repubs to the White House to discuss it. Pelosi was playing with the press. Arrogant yes, but you don't seem to understand the context (which is not surprising).
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Let me try to answer your curiosity.
I believe the Dems set a record in spending for a Congressional election...and the Dem's lost....
Had the Rep's lost, then I suppose it would have been money well spent by the Dems'....
Ironically the Dem's - Hillary out spent the Rep's - Trump in the presidential election with the same results...
Apparently pouring money into these elections is not necessarily the way to win them.
Re: Health Care.
The ACA did not do what Obama claimed it would do, it was sold as truth when they knew it was a lie. It's expensive and unsustainable as it is now.
The Democrats had their chance to get health care right, they failed, even after 18 months of testimony and planning...when Rep's new legislation is known, everybody Rep's & Dem's & the American people can all put their 2 bits in....
 
Andy Dukes said:
I was responding to LE's post about how much Dems spent. I found it curios he did not state that the Repubs almost spent as much for a seat that had not voted for a Dem since Jimmy Carter was President.

Did I care when Obama lied? Yes. I left the party.

You need to separate lies from innuendo and questioning with the Russia stuff. I have not seen a whole bunch of lies. I have seen innuendo but mostly questioning. Questioning is valid just from the point of what the trump administration has done. They lied one by one about contacts with Russians. Trump has still not admitted the Russians hacked the election. Per Sessions, no one in the administration seems to give a rats ass that they hacked the election.

If you think this attempt to pass health care reform was anything like the last, you are being delusional. There were 18 months of hearings with experts, where Repubs and Dems asked questions. There were meetings with both Repubs and Dems. Obama asked key Repubs to the White House to discuss it. Pelosi was playing with the press. Arrogant yes, but you don't seem to understand the context (which is not surprising).
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What we have now is not insurance because it ignores risk pools hence the death spiral brought on by the mandate. Sweden's Healthcare does not ignore risk pools. They opted out of the EU monetarily to mitigate/eliminate any risk to their social programs. That is smart for their people.
 
Andy Dukes said:
I was responding to LE's post about how much Dems spent. I found it curios he did not state that the Repubs almost spent as much for a seat that had not voted for a Dem since Jimmy Carter was President.

Did I care when Obama lied? Yes. I left the party.

You need to separate lies from innuendo and questioning with the Russia stuff. I have not seen a whole bunch of lies. I have seen innuendo but mostly questioning. Questioning is valid just from the point of what the trump administration has done. They lied one by one about contacts with Russians. Trump has still not admitted the Russians hacked the election. Per Sessions, no one in the administration seems to give a rats ass that they hacked the election.

If you think this attempt to pass health care reform was anything like the last, you are being delusional. There were 18 months of hearings with experts, where Repubs and Dems asked questions. There were meetings with both Repubs and Dems. Obama asked key Repubs to the White House to discuss it. Pelosi was playing with the press. Arrogant yes, but you don't seem to understand the context (which is not surprising).
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Trump says election rigged, democrats scoff, trump wins election, democrats say election rigged and ignore the popular vote.
 
Lion Eyes said:
Let me try to answer your curiosity.
I believe the Dems set a record in spending for a Congressional election...and the Dem's lost....
Had the Rep's lost, then I suppose it would have been money well spent by the Dems'....
Ironically the Dem's - Hillary out spent the Rep's - Trump in the presidential election with the same results...
Apparently pouring money into these elections is not necessarily the way to win them.
Re: Health Care.
The ACA did not do what Obama claimed it would do, it was sold as truth when they knew it was a lie. It's expensive and unsustainable as it is now.
The Democrats had their chance to get health care right, they failed, even after 18 months of testimony and planning...when Rep's new legislation is known, everybody Rep's & Dem's & the American people can all put their 2 bits in....
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I think we both will agree that money into a campaign is having less of an affect than other media like Facebook. Hence, way to go Russians with the bots attacking Hillary supporters Facebook pages. It was very effective.

The ACA was close but needed to be shored up. When the Dems had the votes, they should have pushed the Medicare for all card. The Senate bill is now out, so we can all comment. My comments are simple. It is what was expected. The burden will switch back to the hospitals who will again, raise their rates to those of us with insurance. The cycle will continue until we break away from this middle man insurance system.
 
Andy Dukes said:
I was responding to LE's post about how much Dems spent. I found it curios he did not state that the Repubs almost spent as much for a seat that had not voted for a Dem since Jimmy Carter was President.

Did I care when Obama lied? Yes. I left the party.

You need to separate lies from innuendo and questioning with the Russia stuff. I have not seen a whole bunch of lies. I have seen innuendo but mostly questioning. Questioning is valid just from the point of what the trump administration has done. They lied one by one about contacts with Russians. Trump has still not admitted the Russians hacked the election. Per Sessions, no one in the administration seems to give a rats ass that they hacked the election.

If you think this attempt to pass health care reform was anything like the last, you are being delusional. There were 18 months of hearings with experts, where Repubs and Dems asked questions. There were meetings with both Repubs and Dems. Obama asked key Repubs to the White House to discuss it. Pelosi was playing with the press. Arrogant yes, but you don't seem to understand the context (which is not surprising).
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Context to you is right and left it seems.
 
Andy Dukes said:
I think we both will agree that money into a campaign is having less of an affect than other media like Facebook. Hence, way to go Russians with the bots attacking Hillary supporters Facebook pages. It was very effective.

The ACA was close but needed to be shored up. When the Dems had the votes, they should have pushed the Medicare for all card. The Senate bill is now out, so we can all comment. My comments are simple. It is what was expected. The burden will switch back to the hospitals who will again, raise their rates to those of us with insurance. The cycle will continue until we break away from this middle man insurance system.
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Who's the middle man?
 
Andy Dukes said:
I was responding to LE's post about how much Dems spent. I found it curios he did not state that the Repubs almost spent as much for a seat that had not voted for a Dem since Jimmy Carter was President.

Did I care when Obama lied? Yes. I left the party.

You need to separate lies from innuendo and questioning with the Russia stuff. I have not seen a whole bunch of lies. I have seen innuendo but mostly questioning. Questioning is valid just from the point of what the trump administration has done. They lied one by one about contacts with Russians. Trump has still not admitted the Russians hacked the election. Per Sessions, no one in the administration seems to give a rats ass that they hacked the election.

If you think this attempt to pass health care reform was anything like the last, you are being delusional. There were 18 months of hearings with experts, where Repubs and Dems asked questions. There were meetings with both Repubs and Dems. Obama asked key Repubs to the White House to discuss it. Pelosi was playing with the press. Arrogant yes, but you don't seem to understand the context (which is not surprising).
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Kinda funny... the libs are screaming that Trump is mot getting anything done yet they arr blocking his attempt at a fix for Healthcare. What a joke...
 
Multi Sport said:
Kinda funny... the libs are screaming that Trump is mot getting anything done yet they arr blocking his attempt at a fix for Healthcare. What a joke...
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Blocking what? They had their night of a thousand lines and it was as serious as a hemorrhoid. They have no power unless the Repubs want to fix the existing ACA, then they would find help. The Repubs have the majorities. This is their party.
 
Multi Sport said:
Kinda funny... the libs are screaming that Trump is mot getting anything done yet they arr blocking his attempt at a fix for Healthcare. What a joke...
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I'm not even sure why dip shit republicans are so in a rush to bail out the socialist experiment of Universal Health Care/Insurance in its death spiral. Baffled as to why dip shit Democrats aren't getting behind ACHA so they can wash their hands of the ACA death spiral.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
I'm not even sure why dip shit republicans are so in a rush to bail out the socialist experiment of Universal Health Care/Insurance in its death spiral. Baffled as to why dip shit Democrats aren't getting behind ACHA so they can wash their hands of the ACA death spiral.
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Exactly how I feel about it.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Dems should realize that the Donald is handing his head to them on a platter. But they keep chasing the russian smoke. Buncha dumb asses. There's my $30 million dollar advice
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Big D should just let the ACA crash 'n burn, and then point the finger at BHO.
I like the idea of HSA's, and pay as you go healthcare, with backup insurance for the big ticket items.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
I'm not even sure why dip shit republicans are so in a rush to bail out the socialist experiment of Universal Health Care/Insurance in its death spiral. Baffled as to why dip shit Democrats aren't getting behind ACHA so they can wash their hands of the ACA death spiral.
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A win at any cost. Hopefully Cruz and co will slow this train down.
 
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