Hüsker Dü
DA
It's good to look within to see whats there. Were you looking for religion?
Ponderable
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Wez
DA
Dementia flaring up early today uh? You were the complaining about beards and turbans in the NYPD.
Sikhs have a long tradition of service in military and police in India and the British Empire. The beards and turbans are the most visible traits of their religion which has a fairly strict code of behavior, dress, and worship. You might even say they are ultra-conservative, from their own basis.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
No, but it was the clear antecedent for the quote. For myself, I view the American experiment as expansive, not restrictive.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Sounds jingoistic actually, although I think there is still truth to it. The expansiveness clearly came at the expense (a shamefully mild term for genocide) of the original inhabitants and was clearly restrictive in the case of the imported forced labor. For these cases, the historical reckoning is not yet complete.
I wasn't sure how to respond to that. One of my history hobbies is research into colonial and near-post-colonial life in New England. The Plymouth Pilgrims were fortunate to have landed in an area that recently had been abandoned by the natives because of an epidemic of some European illness, perhaps measles, perhaps acquired by contact with European fishermen (Portuguese and French are known to have been working the New England coast at that time). Not only were there no inhabitants with which to be concerned, there were stockpiles of preserved fish and vegetables left behind. On a small scale, the Pilgrims fell into a vacuum and survived (barely) the first Winter, after which the neighboring natives just saw them as just another competitor for space and natural resources, although a bit odd. Then they brought in all their friends and relatives.
Hüsker Dü
DA
The natives or the pilgrims?
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
It did not have to go down the way it did. The argument for genocide (a systematic policy of eradication) is most forceful in the case of the western tribes. Maybe I read Dee Brown when I was still too impressionable. I tried to get my son interested in the Alvin Maker series but he goes his own way. Is globalism a logical extension of manifest destiny? That's an interesting question.
Hüsker Dü
DA
No, it's the new world order coming to fruition.
Wez
DA
IMAO, globalism is a logical result from Capitalism. Profits will be sought anywhere they can be found.
The Pilgrims. The natives did not realize how many Europeans there were who were eager for new homes.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Sounds familiar.
Wez
DA
We're almost there now...
Growing up in Vermont, we were all given the"official" story that Vermont had no native inhabitants in Colonial times because it was the dividing line between the Iriquois and Abenaki, and thus was just a battle and hunting ground. It has only been in the last few decades that the remaining descendants have been able to get state recognition; they are still working on Federal status to match the status they have over the line in Canada. My brother-in-law is part French-Canadian and part Abenaki. He has participated in protest hunts, in which Abenaki fish, hunt and gather food in the Missisquoi National Wildlife Refuge on the US-Canada border with the intent of getting arrested and having a day in court.
Wez
DA
Have you seen this?
http://www.alternet.org/visions/tru...erica-phony-ideology-promote-corporate-agenda
The True History of Libertarianism in America: A Phony Ideology to Promote a Corporate Agenda
Before Milton Friedman was earning plaudits as an economic genius, he was a shill for the real estate industry and an early pioneer for big business propaganda known as libertarianism.
I haven't fact checked it, not sure if it's true, but it would be funny as hell if true. What a scam on dumb Americans!!
Sheriff Joe
DA
So that is where our immigration policy came from.
Sheriff Joe
DA
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