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Andy Dukes said:
It is even bigger than that. My favorite example is retraining the customer. Pay the clerks crap money and treat them like crap. They hate their jobs and the customer then has to deal with a pissed off clerk. Then offer self service. People gravitate to the self serve line instead of dealing with the clerk. All of a sudden no need for the clerks. Less payroll, more profit and less management costs.
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I always wait for a real person.
I smile and chat it up.
Its just better that way, at least for me.

Anyone who hates their job should find a new one.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Thing big, like in big box stores . . . if you can't afford automation in the future you will be run over. The rich get richer and mom and pop (stores) get the shaft.
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You're the preacher of Doom and Gloom, you every stop to think all that automation will need maintenance and repair ?
You definitely have it out for successful entrepreneurs don't you ?
 
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Andy Dukes said:
It is even bigger than that. My favorite example is retraining the customer. Pay the clerks crap money and treat them like crap. They hate their jobs and the customer then has to deal with a pissed off clerk. Then offer self service. People gravitate to the self serve line instead of dealing with the clerk. All of a sudden no need for the clerks. Less payroll, more profit and less management costs.
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Every job has a different pay scale based on the amount of physical/mental effort involved, to snap a flat broad line across what workers should be paid is fraudulent to the worker.
 
nononono said:
You're the preacher of Doom and Gloom, you every stop to think all that automation will need maintenance and repair ?
You definitely have it out for successful entrepreneurs don't you ?
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How many small businesses will be able to keep up with big automated chains? It is what it is, but I don't have to like it, and as this is America, this is still America, right? As this is for the time being still the USA I am free to voice my opinion.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Again with the revisionist, ignore the past attitude, as if the 30 years before never happened. Reagan-voodoo-trickledown-supplyside economics didn't work, don't work and still won't work and now we are living the aftermath.

Man up, step away from the purely partisan rhetoric for a minute and think about cause and effect . . . or just continue looking like a . . . well, like you do.
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At 24 I got my General Contractors License in 1983.
Made more money in one year under Reagan than any other President....
But, I haven't looked back...I'm building dialysis clinics all over the country, get paid more than I'm worth...
I'm blessed and looking damn good.

Perhaps it is you who should step away from the "purely partisan rhetoric" ya jackass.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
How many small businesses will be able to keep up with big automated chains? It is what it is, but I don't have to like it, and as this is America, this is still America, right? As this is for the time being still the USA I am free to voice my opinion.
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Next up Longshoremen union, Long Beach is almost all automated. Finally the wheels are falling off the Longshoremen union! Karma!
 
Lion Eyes said:
At 24 I got my General Contractors License in 1983.
Made more money in one year under Reagan than any other President....
But, I haven't looked back...I'm building dialysis clinics all over the country, get paid more than I'm worth...
I'm blessed and looking damn good.

Perhaps it is you who should step away from the "purely partisan rhetoric" ya jackass.
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Good for you, glad to hear it.
 
Rat....Do you even realize what it takes to submit a bid, carry the Insurance, manage the payroll ( Even if outsourced. ), make sure the employees are present and working, deal with product shortages, handles overages and time limits, make sure the prints are the ones for the local job if dealing with a large Corp, and on and on and on ?

Union Iron work is not easy, but you guys can just stop working if something isn't right. A contractor has to make it right....Period.
 
nononono said:
Rat....Do you even realize what it takes to submit a bid, carry the Insurance, manage the payroll ( Even if outsourced. ), make sure the employees are present and working, deal with product shortages, handles overages and time limits, make sure the prints are the ones for the local job if dealing with a large Corp, and on and on and on ?

Union Iron work is not easy, but you guys can just stop working if something isn't right. A contractor has to make it right....Period.
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Yeah, yeah that's it, you nailed it again . . . o_O
 
Andy Dukes said:
It is just a factor of cost versus benefit. Automation is not agile and that is the sticking point. If a $100k machine tool can run 30 minutes an hour tended but a $170k machine can run with 5 minutes an hour of tending you can easily make the case for the more expensive (read more automated) solution. In simple terms of a 5 year payment, the cost difference is roughly $1600 more a month for the lighter tended solution. Most times that difference can be as low as 30% price difference.

I see more and more small jobs shops (machine shops that make parts for others on an individual Purchase Order basis and not making their own product) demanding automation as part of their next machine tool purchase.
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Right. A lack of agility is what I meant as far as cost go. So much of what you do depends on what your competition does according to their financial structure and their market plan.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Not to me. Apparently there are those that think they should get paid $15/hr for doing so. I knew that I wasnʻt going to make a career out of it 30 years ago. How about you?
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A great burger takes talent, creativity, and the best ingredients.
I will pay 15 to 18 bucks for a GREAT burger.
You will not find one where the chef makes min. wage.
 
The progressives believed, first and foremost, in the importance of science and scientific experts in guiding the economy, government, and society. Against the selfishness, disorder, corruption, ignorance, conflict and wastefulness of free markets or mass democracy, they advanced the ideal of disinterested, public-spirited social control by well-educated elites. The progressives were technocrats who, Leonard observes, “agreed that expert public administrators do not merely serve the common good, they also identify the common good.” Schools of public administration, including the one that since 1948 has borne Woodrow Wilson’s name, still enshrine that conviction.
 
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