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Wez said:
Racism in the light, recognized, is healthy, despite it appearing very bad in the press, riots, etc. BO has been an awesome quaterback on race issues, not catering to any side, not inflaming. I think the people who think his administration is divisive on race issues, are the same people who refuse to see racism, unless it's to recognize when they see it from Blacks.
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I see it from both sides.
Read the thread.
My contention is that some only see "those people".
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Andy knew I was right.
It takes real introspection to see what has been in front of us the whole time.
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Don't put words in my mouth. I don't think we agree on much about race. I just acknowledge something most people already do, that race is exploited for political gain from all sides.
 
Wez said:
Racism in the light, recognized, is healthy, despite it appearing very bad in the press, riots, etc. BO has been an awesome quaterback on race issues, not catering to any side, not inflaming. I think the people who think his administration is divisive on race issues, are the same people who refuse to see racism, unless it's to recognize when they see it from Blacks.
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Obama has widened the racial divide in this country , on purpose. That is all this community organizer has.
 
Wez said:
Racism in the light, recognized, is healthy, despite it appearing very bad in the press, riots, etc. BO has been an awesome quaterback on race issues, not catering to any side, not inflaming. I think the people who think his administration is divisive on race issues, are the same people who refuse to see racism, unless it's to recognize when they see it from Blacks.
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Does anyone know what a typical white person is?
Let's ask Mr racist BO. It's his grandmother.
 
Lion Eyes said:
Tell me professor, exactly where is this bias you're seeing in our Justice System.?
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From Stop-n-Frisk, to arrests to incarceration rates to sentencing disparities, you would have to be a fool to not know that our Justice is biased.

http://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism

https://www.amazon.com/The-Divide-American-Injustice-Wealth/dp/081299342X

"In The Divide, Matt Taibbi takes readers on a galvanizing journey through both sides of our new system of justice—the fun-house-mirror worlds of the untouchably wealthy and the criminalized poor. He uncovers the startling looting that preceded the financial collapse; a wild conspiracy of billionaire hedge fund managers to destroy a company through dirty tricks; and the story of a whistleblower who gets in the way of the largest banks in America, only to find herself in the crosshairs. On the other side of the Divide, Taibbi takes us to the front lines of the immigrant dragnet; into the newly punitive welfare system which treats its beneficiaries as thieves; and deep inside the stop-and-frisk world, where standing in front of your own home has become an arrestable offense. As he narrates these incredible stories, he draws out and analyzes their common source: a perverse new standard of justice, based on a radical, disturbing new vision of civil rights."
 
Wez said:
From Stop-n-Frisk, to arrests to incarceration rates to sentencing disparities, you would have to be a fool to not know that our Justice is biased.

http://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism
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Stop and Frisk?
Still having trouble with the constitution?
Sentencing disparities? Thank Bill Clinton for much of that.
Bill Clinton signed into law mandatory sentencing which has a lot to do with incarceration rates...

Clinton described his motivation to pass the 1994 Violent Crime Control Act in stark terms.
"Gangs and drugs have taken over our streets and undermined our schools," he said. "Every day, we read about somebody else who has literally gotten away with murder."
"Criminal justice policy was very much driven by public sentiment and a political instinct to appeal to the more negative punitive elements of public sentiment rather than to be driven by the facts," he said.

And that public sentiment called for filling up the nation's prisons, a key part of the 1994 crime bill.
These days, Jeremy Travis is president of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. But 20 years ago, he attended the signing ceremony for the crime bill — and joined the Clinton Justice Department.

"Here's the federal government coming in and saying we'll give you money if you punish people more severely, and 28 states and the District of Columbia followed the money and enacted stricter sentencing laws for violent offenses," Travis says.

But as Travis now knows all too well, there's a problem with that idea. Researchers including a National Academy of Sciences panel he led have since found only a modest relationship between incarceration and lower crime rates.

"We now know with the fullness of time that we made some terrible mistakes," Travis said. "And those mistakes were to ramp up the use of prison. And that big mistake is the one that we now, 20 years later, come to grips with. We have to look in the mirror and say, 'look what we have done.'"

Nick Turner of Vera put the human costs even more starkly.
"If you're a black baby born today, you have a 1 in 3 chance of spending some time in prison or jail," Turner said. "If you're Latino, it's a 1 in 6 chance. And if you're white, it's 1 in 17. And so coming to terms with these disparities and reversing them, I would argue, is not only a matter of fairness and justice but it's, I would argue, a matter of national security."
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/12/347736999/20-years-later-major-crime-bill-viewed-as-terrible-mistake
 
Lion Eyes said:
Stop and Frisk?
Still having trouble with the constitution?
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No, just the inherent bias and racism that comes with SnF.

Lion Eyes said:
Sentencing disparities? Thank Bill Clinton for much of that.
Bill Clinton signed into law mandatory sentencing which has a lot to do with incarceration rates...
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I don't think the systematic racial bias in our Justice system is a left or right thing, it just is.
 
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