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tenacious said:
I try and stay away from the identity politics for the most part. However this is one of the issues where I'd probably side with progressives on pushing for more clean energy standards for exactly the reasons stated in this article.

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Black people are dying from coronavirus — air pollution is one of the main culprits

During the turmoil of the coronavirus pandemic, we’re hearing often from our leaders that “we’re all in this together.” While true, some of us are in it more than others; black Americans are dying …
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Yes but that is a huge part of what trumpist cite as what he has accomplished, lessening regulations so business can thrive. aka pollute unabated . . . and guess who lives in the areas most effected (live downstream)?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Yes but that is a huge part of what trumpist cite as what he has accomplished, lessening regulations so business can thrive. aka pollute unabated . . . and guess who lives in the areas most effected (live downstream)?
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Imagine what would happen to the Inland Empire if the rest of the LA basins' air pollution didn't blow in that direction.
 
tenacious said:
Imagine what would happen to the Inland Empire if the rest of the LA basins' air pollution didn't blow in that direction.
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The emission standards sure helped clean up the air. Imagine if we go backwards and eliminate them? How much more traffic is there now? LA will become even more uninhabitable than it is now!
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The emission standards sure helped clean up the air. Imagine if we go backwards and eliminate them? How much more traffic is there now? LA will become even more uninhabitable than it is now!
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I wonder how much pollution would decline if we got rid of Illegals?
10/20%?
That would be YUGE.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
I wonder how much pollution would decline if we got rid of Illegals?
10/20%?
That would be YUGE.
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Let me see if I follow. Rather then any sort of leadership toward protecting air quality for a huge swath of the (affordable housing starved) Greater Los Angeles region into desirable place to live... your plan in to start arresting and deporting the regions dishwashers and lawn care engineers?

Isn't this the sort of tone def politics as usual that swept an outsider like Trump into office? Wouldn't it be funny if it's also why he's ends as a one term president. It would almost be like one of those divinely inspired Greek-drama twists of fate type things. haha.
 
tenacious said:
Let me see if I follow. Rather then any sort of leadership toward protecting air quality for a huge swath of the (affordable housing starved) Greater Los Angeles region... your plan is to start arresting and deporting the regions dishwashers and lawn care engineers?

Isn't this the sort of tone def politics as usual that swept an outsider like Trump into office? Wouldn't it be funny if it's also why he's ends as a one term president. It would almost be like one of those divinely inspired Greek-drama twists of fate type things. haha.
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Damn I'm going to have to call the grammer police on myself. I've reworked this post to make sense above...
 
tenacious said:
Let me see if I follow. Rather then any sort of leadership toward protecting air quality for a huge swath of the (affordable housing starved) Greater Los Angeles region into desirable place to live... your plan in to start arresting and deporting the regions dishwashers and lawn care engineers?

Isn't this the sort of tone def politics as usual that swept an outsider like Trump into office? Wouldn't it be funny if it's also why he's ends as a one term president. It would almost be like one of those divinely inspired Greek-drama twists of fate type things. haha.
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Almost.
 
I like the way the government, while telling people they have to be locked down, also makes sure that labor (ie the people who work for a living), even though they can’t earn for a few months, still has to pay rent and mortgages to capital (capital, of course, earns without working). Even if you’re relieved now from paying, it accrues as more debt.

This must be because the governor is a commie, right Stupid Ricky? Is this stuff over your head?
 
messy said:
I like the way the government, while telling people they have to be locked down, also makes sure that labor (ie the people who work for a living), even though they can’t earn for a few months, still has to pay rent and mortgages to capital (capital, of course, earns without working). Even if you’re relieved now from paying, it accrues as more debt.

This must be because the governor is a commie, right Stupid Ricky? Is this stuff over your head?
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It appears YOU stuffed your head waaaaaay up your rear while in basic economics/government....
 
Sheriff Joe said:
I wonder if this bitch is a lib?
No I don’t, gotta be.
www.theblaze.com

Video of white woman calling police on black man in Central Park goes viral and her dog gets taken away | Blaze Media

He says he simply asked her to put a leash on her dog
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I'd say it depends on what kind of birds the guy was watching. If there are water birds then she's probably conservative as the UES is the most "conservative" part of Manhattan. If it's song birds then they're on the westside, where all the rich liberal people live.

Obviously I think everyone agrees this woman is in the wrong. However as much as I dislike this woman, and find her views distasteful, I'm not sure having her lose her job and making her kids vulnerable to bullying at school... is a constructive long term solution the plague of racism.
 
espola said:
Four cops present at the scene have been fired, but the bodycam videos have not yet been made public.

A thought occurred to me when I first read about this - how much trouble would a citizen have gotten into if he had done the right thing and tackled the cop who was killing another citizen?
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That's a really good question. If I was to witness a situation like this, at what point can I step in.
 
tenacious said:
I'd say it depends on what kind of birds the guy was watching. If there are water birds then she's probably conservative as the UES is the most "conservative" part of Manhattan. If it's song birds then they're on the westside, where all the rich liberal people live.

Obviously I think everyone agrees this woman is in the wrong. However as much as I dislike this woman, and find her views distasteful, I'm not sure having her lose her job and making her kids vulnerable to bullying at school... is a constructive long term solution the plague of racism.
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You’re right about the long-term solution not being helped. But the nature of things like this is that her life is ruined for the next couple of years at least. Deservedly so. But there’s no call for threats of violence.
 
messy said:
You’re right about the long-term solution not being helped. But the nature of things like this is that her life is ruined for the next couple of years at least. Deservedly so. But there’s no call for threats of violence.
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I don't know. I walk to work everyday across Manhattan (or at least I did) and people say all sorts of crazy things to each other here. In fact the day of this incident I myself was threatened by a homeless guy because he doesn't like white people

I 100% agree we have a problem with race in this country. And I 100% agree it is something we need to work at fixing. I just don't believe throwing people away for a coupe years is the path toward that healing.
 
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