Playing with hard cast

[Surf Zombie]

My DD will have a hard cast on her wrist next 3-6 weeks. I’m told it will be at referee’s discretion if she can play. She’s got a few ECNL games and a showcase coming up.

Anyone have any tips, insight, tricks, etc. on the issue?

 

[Eagle33]

There is no trick to it. It will be up for a referee discretion. Some will allow it and some will not.

 

[soccermom74]

My DD will have a hard cast on her wrist next 3-6 weeks. I’m told it will be at referee’s discretion if she can play. She’s got a few ECNL games and a showcase coming up.

Anyone have any tips, insight, tricks, etc. on the issue?

Bubble wrap usually does the trick.

 

[RedDevil24]

My DD will have a hard cast on her wrist next 3-6 weeks. I’m told it will be at referee’s discretion if she can play. She’s got a few ECNL games and a showcase coming up.

Anyone have any tips, insight, tricks, etc. on the issue?

Ref assn I belong to has it listed in caps and bold absolutely no hard casts........ regardless if you wrap something over it.

 

[Panther11]

Not worth it. Let her heal and enjoy the time off. 3-6 weeks goes by fast, and she'll be back on the field before you know it.

 

[Soccer Dad & Ref]

Did you ask the Doctor what is the best thing for your daughter? Probably didn't, as you won't like the answer.

After ignoring medical advice, your best thing to do is bubble wrap it so that it appears softer. Don't have her point it out during check-ins, and refs likely won't make a deal out of it.

 

[Surf Zombie]

Did you ask the Doctor what is the best thing for your daughter? Probably didn't, as you won't like the answer.

After ignoring medical advice, your best thing to do is bubble wrap it so that it appears softer. Don't have her point it out during check-ins, and refs likely won't make a deal out of it.

Why the snarky assumptions? Of course we asked the orthopedist if should can play. In fact, she was the one who asked the questions herself. “After ignoring medical advice…” Just STFU and don’t reply if you feel the need to be a d-bag.

 

[Orangeteam]

Wrapping a cast protects everyone else on the field but does nothing to protect the player wearing the cast.
I officiated a boys game a few years ago and just recently an ECNL showcase in PHX last April where each game had a player wearing a hard cast that was wrapped in padding. Both players hurt themselves in the game because when they fell they realized their broken hand wasn't going to work like a healthy hand.
The DA game the player rebroke he wrist and broke the carpal bones in his hand landing on her hand. The coach later told me he was two weeks away from getting his cast off and ended up having to miss 3-4 mo months.
The ECNL game the player dislocated her hip and shoulder on the opposite side trying to avoid falling on her broken wrist off a header. She twisted mid air to avoid falling, she looked like a salmon twisting to fall on the opposite side.

I would start with the comfort level your DD has if she were to fall.

 

[Soccer Dad & Ref]

Why the snarky assumptions? Of course we asked the orthopedist if should can play. In fact, she was the one who asked the questions herself. “After ignoring medical advice…” Just STFU and don’t reply if you feel the need to be a d-bag.

Okey Dokey, lol.

 

[pewpew]

My DD will have a hard cast on her wrist next 3-6 weeks. I’m told it will be at referee’s discretion if she can play. She’s got a few ECNL games and a showcase coming up.

Anyone have any tips, insight, tricks, etc. on the issue?

How old is she? What impact will it have if she misses a few games and a showcase now....vs. an additional injury and missing more games / showcases? So many parents want their kids back on the pitch after they get diagnosed with a concussion and end up in a worse situation if a perfect example. Gotta look at the short-term vs the long-term. But only you know what your situation is. We don't. Good luck.

P.S. Being a GK parent..I hated when players were allowed to play with a hard cast...especially if they were strikers. Pad it as much as you want..getting hit with that 2x4 doesn't change the force of the blow much. My .02

 

[crush]

Why the snarky assumptions? Of course we asked the orthopedist if should can play. In fact, she was the one who asked the questions herself. “After ignoring medical advice…” Just STFU and don’t reply if you feel the need to be a d-bag.

My dd broke her wrist back in the day at ODP tryouts. Crazy Ray's dd made a good play and knocked my goat off the ball and she went flying and landed on her wrist. We had Dallas Super Cope of something big like that and my wanted to go sooo bad. Doc said two options. Cast or tight brace with a stint inside. Cast is a big no with refs so we went for brace. It worked like a charm and she had a blast. Made it to the finals playing up. I say play if its a big game or opportunity and play with a little more caution.

 

[crush]

My kid was also on the wrong side of aggresive player with a cast I might add. One of of her greatest games as a GOAT FC player. We were playing up as well.

 

[Soccer Dad & Ref]

My kid was also on the wrong side of aggresive player with a cast I might add. One of of her greatest games as a GOAT FC player. We were playing up as well.

good no-call. True shoulder to shoulder, going for ball whole time. Cast wasn’t part of the play anyways.

 

[crush]

good no-call. True shoulder to shoulder, going for ball whole time. Cast wasn’t part of the play anyways.

Classic. It's why American Soccer is like playing Rugby. You should quit being a ref 100%.

 

[Surf Zombie]

How old is she? What impact will it have if she misses a few games and a showcase now....vs. an additional injury and missing more games / showcases? So many parents want their kids back on the pitch after they get diagnosed with a concussion and end up in a worse situation if a perfect example. Gotta look at the short-term vs the long-term. But only you know what your situation is. We don't. Good luck.

P.S. Being a GK parent..I hated when players were allowed to play with a hard cast...especially if they were strikers. Pad it as much as you want..getting hit with that 2x4 doesn't change the force of the blow much. My .02

U16. Played yesterday & today. Referees didn’t ask about it or even say a word. Small broken bone in her thumb, not a wrist injury. No more games until the FL showcase in January and cast will be off by then, so it all worked out.

 

[graciesdad]

As an advanced referee, it is always a hard no. No hard casts.

 

[Code]

good no-call. True shoulder to shoulder, going for ball whole time. Cast wasn’t part of the play anyways.

I agree, no foul.

 

[Grace T.]

good no-call. True shoulder to shoulder, going for ball whole time. Cast wasn’t part of the play anyways.

Since we are off on tangent anyways....I disagree with the "going for the ball whole time". The intent of the charging player wasn't to win the ball. The intent was very clearly to push the other player off the ball which is why the force was more than what was necessary to just gain possession. Indeed, the charging player falls to the ground (which you might ascribe to a lack of balance because of the cast but that's just a case for not playing with the cast). There was no attempt to actually play the ball and the force used was more excessive than necessary.

That's not the end of the inquiry, though. The next question is given the guidance's missive to reduce intrusions into the game, whether the game should be stopped for what is very clearly and technically a foul. After all, how many times have we seen shielding attempts to let a ball roll out of bounds even though that is also technically the foul of impeding with no attempt to play the ball. Part of the problem is also the relative size differences of the two players and the particular age and body control in their development. So if it's the pros in the EPL no foul, play on...two 15 year old top flight players (where by this point each is likely the same relative size) play on (if the game is getting out of hand and needs to be pulled back or the contact is becoming excessive enough that someone might get hurt, maybe whistle)...kids this young, also being mindful of the need to control the game, whistle no card.

 

[Eagle33]

good no-call. True shoulder to shoulder, going for ball whole time. Cast wasn’t part of the play anyways.

Yep, you just proved it, refs like you is why we have so many issues in youth soccer.

 

[Grace T.]

Since we are off on tangent anyways....I disagree with the "going for the ball whole time". The intent of the charging player wasn't to win the ball. The intent was very clearly to push the other player off the ball which is why the force was more than what was necessary to just gain possession. Indeed, the charging player falls to the ground (which you might ascribe to a lack of balance because of the cast but that's just a case for not playing with the cast). There was no attempt to actually play the ball and the force used was more excessive than necessary.

That's not the end of the inquiry, though. The next question is given the guidance's missive to reduce intrusions into the game, whether the game should be stopped for what is very clearly and technically a foul. After all, how many times have we seen shielding attempts to let a ball roll out of bounds even though that is also technically the foul of impeding with no attempt to play the ball. Part of the problem is also the relative size differences of the two players and the particular age and body control in their development. So if it's the pros in the EPL no foul, play on...two 15 year old top flight players (where by this point each is likely the same relative size) play on (if the game is getting out of hand and needs to be pulled back or the contact is becoming excessive enough that someone might get hurt, maybe whistle)...kids this young, also being mindful of the need to control the game, whistle no card.

(i had to duck off for a sec so to finish the thought)....two 13 year old flight 3 teams with poor technical skills and game possibly getting out of control, whistle and card....two adult Sunday leaguers, that's a no brainer: whistle, card, verbal warning to knock it off and play the ball or ejection will follow.