The shoe fit and you put it on. Of course they should be paid. They are the labor around which organizations (the NCAAA, the particular institution, the TV networks) build billion-dollar empires. How does a coach make $5m and the kid make the price of tuition? When his job is to play football or basketball for 40+ hours a week, plus travel?
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That's not nearly enough. They are working so the school and its endorsement deal (nike, underarmour or adidas) and the tv networks and the coaches can make millions. They are the driver of that economy.
Except of course... without athletes like Kyler Murray, there would be no Sooners.
And that's really the point here. Are the scholarships and free books a fair return on services. Everyone agrees the athletes are providing a value to the school as the players are already getting scholarship and other financial incentives. The real question is if the caps to the scholarships and ability to trade on their athletic talents for financial gain have more to do with the schools pocketing players cut then avoiding a slippery slope.
Moreover, contracts are written everyday codifying a return on services provided. Only in the NCAA's billion dollar business model is this somehow talked about as a slippery slope.
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It’s a billion dollar enterprise. Even if you limit players’ right to negotiate for the best deal going in, the tv contract and the endorsement deal and the ticket price in should all have allocations to the players. With a modest cut each kid would easily make an extra 6 figures per year for working in that universe.
Well in fairness... by they time you throw in books, tutors, healthcare, $65k per year to go to a private school like USC, some players Are probably earning close to $100k a year now?
That said, obviously the highest earning college athletes aren't pulling in anything close to pro player minimum salaries.
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These fucking colleges have millions and million, tuition is out of control and will be even more if they pay college kids, it’s already corrupt just wait for billions to be thrown into the mix.
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Were things better 40 years ago and why?
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Maybe they should pay the smartest kids too?
That is the reason they are in college.
Huh?
Which bowl game do the smartest kids play in ?
I will say, seeing the university cut a bunch of non-revenue generating sports is the unintended consequence that troubles me.
So what about accepting money for endorsements from local boosters. Like the local girls AYSO might have the local college team hand out trophies at the end of the year for a thousand bucks type money? Or appearing in commercials selling cars and what not for a lot of thousands. Basically removing or easing some of the restrictions?
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Are you saying these athletes aren’t the smartest?
Sounds pretty racist.
You are talking about the poor black kids, right?
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Money corrupts.
I'm guessing some kind of Asian bowl.
Maybe something with Won-tons and Calculus.
Not a terrible joke.
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Ben Carson under fire for transgender observations
JAZZ SHAW Posted at 8:31 pm on September 21, 2019
Now we have some Democrats calling for Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson to resign. I know what you’re probably thinking. Anyone who’s been following American politics at all for the last three years knows that Democrats calling for someone in the Trump administration to resign basically means it’s another day ending in a Y. But this dust-up has at least a bit of a twist to it.
During a HUD staff meeting in San Francisco, Carson was addressing the staff and dropped a comment regarding transgender individuals. He included the phrase “big hairy men” entering women’s shelters or using women’s bathrooms. This set the usual number of heads of hair on fire, leading to more accusations and calls for his resignation. The Secretary isn’t stepping down, however. He instead sent out a message clarifying his comments. (Politico)
“During a recent meeting with local staff in San Francisco, I made reference to the fact that I had heard from many women’s groups about the difficulty they were having with women’s shelters because sometimes men would claim to be women,” Carson wrote.
“This made many of the women feel unsafe, and one of the groups described a situation to me in which ‘big hairy men’ would come in and have to be accepted into the women’s shelter even though it made the women in the facility very uncomfortable,” he added.
“My point was that we have to permit policies that take into consideration the rights of everybody, including those women,” Carson wrote.
The main reason I wanted to bring this story up today is that Carson raised two points that are frequently missing from debates over transgender issues. And he did so in a simple way that people on both sides of this debate should calm down and listen to.
First, there are plenty of places in society, including places of work and publicly accessible spaces, where I’m sure the vast majority of women (and men for that matter) have no problem running into a man “identifying” as a woman or vice versa. I know it doesn’t bother me. It’s a free country. Call yourself whatever you like and dress how you like. But as Carson points out, that doesn’t apply everywhere. Women, in particular, can find themselves in vulnerable situations. It could be anything as simple as using a public restroom or as tragic as finding themselves in a battered women’s shelter.
It’s at times such as those – particularly in a shelter – where vulnerable women don’t want to be exposed to a “woman with a penis.” This is particularly true when it comes to sleeping quarters, showers, changing rooms and restrooms. That is not the time or place for a political debate or a lengthy effort to convince them they need to adapt to this “new reality.”
Carson’s other point came up later in his remarks and he risked invoking the dreaded phrase “common sense.” He wrote, “Our society is in danger when we pick one issue (such as gender identity) and say it does not matter how it impacts others because this one issue should override every other common-sense consideration, We must always be vigilant not to override the common sense of our fellow Americans.”
The fact is that we are being asked, or in some cases told by government authorities, that there is no more room for common sense in this discussion. We can, and should, be ready to acknowledge the rights of everyone equally, and that applies to the transgender community as well. And yet, as with everything else in our society, one person’s right to speak or think as they wish does not extend to mandating that everyone think and speak the same way. This too is simply common sense.
Everyone makes certain concessions in their speech and actions to ensure that the entire society can continue to function. One very small minority demanding that everyone else think, act and speak in an irrational fashion to accommodate their wishes isn’t democracy. It’s tyranny. Carson has a grip on this and yet he’s once again being pilloried for saying what should be common sense.
Truthfully... I don't think limiting how much college athletes can make has reduced the level of corruption, sloth and greed within the NCAA even one little bit. Do a quick google search- U of Miami using prostitutes to recruit, the UNC helping athletes cheat, UCLA's Soccer program selling admission letters, Penn trying cover for that child rapist coach Sandusky. It's a cesspool.
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Throwing money at it is not going to help.
Well if by throwing money at it you mean fairly compensating the folks putting their bodies on the line playing college athletics? Then yes... I guess I would have to say my feeling is the Universities need to start throwing them a fair cut of the revenue.
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Putting their bodies on the line? They're only doing that because the NCAA gives them a path to the NFL. How many of these kids would even go to college if it weren't for football or basketball? Football players would have NO path. What percentage are 1-and-done in basketball? There's a great line from the move School Ties where Brendan Fraser tells the headmaster of the high school, "you used me for football... I'll use you to get into Harvard." It's a mutually beneficial relationship. If we offer you free or discounted college, all the respective perks, etc. and you play football or hoop, the NFL/NBA is a benefit... but let's be honest... most of them are there for that dream. Worst case scenario, they walk out educated. We shouldn't punish the NCAA for making money. Those programs (basketball & football) fund so many others that I see nothing wrong with profiting. College sports provide perks that are difficult to quantify. It's the same as idiot, liberals that resent large companies like Amazon for being successful. Those guys hung their nuts out, did something nobody else did and they won. Don't hate Bezos because he's wealthy and can do whatever he wants. Hate him because he's short, bald, ugly and can STILL do whatever he wants.
The NCAA may be something of a cesspool, but bribing your kid into USC isn't anything new.
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WTF is wrong with you people?
Megan Fox Defends Letting Her 6-Year-Old Son Wear Dresses To School
"I'm trying to teach him to be confident no matter what anyone else says."
NBC / Contributor / Getty Images
By PAUL BOIS
@PAULBOIS39
September 22, 2019
136.7k views
After revealing her appreciation for motherhood last week, "Transformers" actress Megan Fox then defended her decision to let her 6-year-old son Noah wear dresses to school.
The Talk" last Thursday, Megan Fox said that her son sometimes wants to wear dresses to his "liberal, hippy" school, and she allows him to pick the outfit he desires despite the ridicule he faces from other boys.
"Sometimes, he'll dress himself and he likes to wear dresses, sometimes," Fox said, as reported by Fox News. "And I send him to a really liberal, hippy school, but even there – here in California – he still has little boys going, 'Boys don't wear dresses,' or 'Boys don't wear pink.'"
"So we're going through that now, where I'm trying to teach him to be confident no matter what anyone else says," she continued.
Fox went on to say that her son stopped wearing dresses for a while before resuming the practice again. She claims it stems from his profound love of fashion.
"He had stopped wearing dresses for a while. He just wore one two days ago to school, and he came home and I was like, 'How was it? Did any of the friends at school have anything to say?'" Fox said. "And he was like, 'Well, all the boys laughed when I came in, but I don't care, I love dresses too much.'"
"He designs, he draws outfits. He's very talented," she continued. "But he's still six so, when I do fittings, like, I did one recently and I had this really beautiful yellow dress on, and he kept draping it in a way where he's like, 'If we do it like this, it looks like a diaper! I was like, 'That's not what we're going for this time, but maybe next time!'"
Fox's reveal about her son's dressing habits comes just one day after she praised motherhood while speaking with Entertainment Tonight while noting that feminists don't often accept her even though she identifies as one.
"Even though I consider myself a feminist, I feel like feminists don't want me to be a part of their group," she said. "What is supporting other females if there [are] only certain ones of us we support? If I have to be an academic or have to be non-threatening to you in some way? Why can't I be a part of the group as well?"
Megan Fox Defends Letting Her 6-Year-Old Son Wear Dresses To School
"I'm trying to teach him to be confident no matter what anyone else says."
NBC / Contributor / Getty Images
By PAUL BOIS
@PAULBOIS39
September 22, 2019
136.7k views
After revealing her appreciation for motherhood last week, "Transformers" actress Megan Fox then defended her decision to let her 6-year-old son Noah wear dresses to school.
The Talk" last Thursday, Megan Fox said that her son sometimes wants to wear dresses to his "liberal, hippy" school, and she allows him to pick the outfit he desires despite the ridicule he faces from other boys.
"Sometimes, he'll dress himself and he likes to wear dresses, sometimes," Fox said, as reported by Fox News. "And I send him to a really liberal, hippy school, but even there – here in California – he still has little boys going, 'Boys don't wear dresses,' or 'Boys don't wear pink.'"
"So we're going through that now, where I'm trying to teach him to be confident no matter what anyone else says," she continued.
Fox went on to say that her son stopped wearing dresses for a while before resuming the practice again. She claims it stems from his profound love of fashion.
"He had stopped wearing dresses for a while. He just wore one two days ago to school, and he came home and I was like, 'How was it? Did any of the friends at school have anything to say?'" Fox said. "And he was like, 'Well, all the boys laughed when I came in, but I don't care, I love dresses too much.'"
"He designs, he draws outfits. He's very talented," she continued. "But he's still six so, when I do fittings, like, I did one recently and I had this really beautiful yellow dress on, and he kept draping it in a way where he's like, 'If we do it like this, it looks like a diaper! I was like, 'That's not what we're going for this time, but maybe next time!'"
Fox's reveal about her son's dressing habits comes just one day after she praised motherhood while speaking with Entertainment Tonight while noting that feminists don't often accept her even though she identifies as one.
"Even though I consider myself a feminist, I feel like feminists don't want me to be a part of their group," she said. "What is supporting other females if there [are] only certain ones of us we support? If I have to be an academic or have to be non-threatening to you in some way? Why can't I be a part of the group as well?"