No games until 2021

If this is true then I'm 1/4 native american (Inca ancestry...my dad even speaks Quechua)! My understanding has always been that having indigenous peoples blood from south of the Rio Grande doesn't qualify you as Native American but rather Hispanic. If that's wrong, I've been filling out my schooling and work applications wrong all these years. Heck, when my sons and I were LARPing at Disneyland a few years back, I could have even proudly joined the Native American team.

But then, I've never understood the rules. Back when I applied to the Ivies in the 80s, I was told I was inelligible for affirmative action because only people descended from Mexico and Puerto Rico qualified, and given my Peruvian/Spanish ancestry I was inelligible.
My daughters best friend is Chilean. She’s 100% of European decent and very tall. On the other hand, there’s a Peruvian girl in her class that’s 100% Native American and very short....yeah, it’s complicated.

I think it’s as clear as mud if you are “mestizo” whether you qualify for affirmative action. It complicates things further that most Americans don’t have passports or travel to Latin America and don’t understand the social dynamics of those countries.

I think many Latinos/Hispanics claim their European heritage over their Indigenous because of discrimination due to caste system in all of these places from Colonialism.
 
Well, if the rich one goes first, that must be me.
I think your rich #1 and then Messy is 7 figure and he goes 2nd. Espy is an old soul and I bet he has a nice retirement but not all the extras. Probably lives in Norths san dieo and EOTL is on the beach or close to La Jolla. Messy is in Santa Monica and doing very well for himself so he can take on the winner of you and me EOTL. My goal is to knock you out and then knock out Messy. After that, I will go have coffee with Magoo and find out who he really is.
 
I think many Latinos/Hispanics claim their European heritage over their Indigenous because of discrimination due to caste system in all of these places from Colonialism.
My wife would get humilted a little coming up from UCSD to visit her parents in LA. The boarder dudes in San Onofre would make her smile to see her teeth. They said it very mean. "Smile!!!!!" If bad teeth, pulled your ass out of the line and talked to you some more. They would ask, "what part of Mexico are you coming from?" Fact is, she's is not from Mexico and neither were her parents or their parents and so on and so on. Labeling is wrong and it's only because of that stupid thing called, "perception." Perception is ones jealousy of lies they form in their brain of jealousy. Label label label is so lame and I'm sick of it!!!
 
I think many Latinos/Hispanics claim their European heritage over their Indigenous because of discrimination due to caste system in all of these places from Colonialism.

I still think the Native Americans would have kicked my teeth in if I had tried to claim membership in that group during the Disneyland LARP. And I so wanted in.....they were one of the elite groups over the orange-yellow fray until the white team showed up and ruined everything.
Ahhh the fun we had before team sports came along, (and way way before pandemics).
 
If a policy such as a mask mandate is dependent upon people using them correctly and not cheating then it's not a fair defense of the policy to say it would have succeded if people had been better at it. The article does not say if the people were subject to a mask mandate, but there at least seems to be a social one because as you say "if you ask us, we all wear masks". What your statement implies then is to be effective, police (or someone in authority), like seatbeats should be empowered to ticket (or some other sanction) of folks that go around removing masks for conversations, or taking them off early when sitting at a restaurant, or letting their noses peak out. Or you are claiming the policy would fail because we have failed to properly "educate" people and have yet to build the perfect Soviet man.

Did y'all even read the report The Federalist referred to?


Come on folks! Quite the spin from The Federalist.
 
All politics aside, I think its prudent at this point for the leagues to postpone their planned starting dates until January (although there is certainly no guarantees of starting then). Given that we're technically not allowed to even have contact at practice or scrimmage and given the interruptions of the holidays, its seems reasonable to plan on starting on January instead of hoping for approval before January and starting with a disjointed and unprepared season.
 
My wife would get humilted a little coming up from UCSD to visit her parents in LA. The boarder dudes in San Onofre would make her smile to see her teeth. They said it very mean. "Smile!!!!!" If bad teeth, pulled your ass out of the line and talked to you some more. They would ask, "what part of Mexico are you coming from?" Fact is, she's is not from Mexico and neither were her parents or their parents and so on and so on. Labeling is wrong and it's only because of that stupid thing called, "perception." Perception is ones jealousy of lies they form in their brain of jealousy. Label label label is so lame and I'm sick of it!!!
Guatemala used to be S. Mexico.
 
All politics aside, I think its prudent at this point for the leagues to postpone their planned starting dates until January (although there is certainly no guarantees of starting then). Given that we're technically not allowed to even have contact at practice or scrimmage and given the interruptions of the holidays, its seems reasonable to plan on starting on January instead of hoping for approval before January and starting with a disjointed and unprepared season.

I'd agree with this. It would also allow the players/families time to organize blackmarket pickup scrimmages and/or finalize Arizona/NV/Ut tournament plans. Would also give clarity for who's in and whose out. While they are at it, they really need to pull the trigger on State Cup too....the youngers at least won't be able to make it given that even a truncated season would run into it.
 
All politics aside, I think its prudent at this point for the leagues to postpone their planned starting dates until January (although there is certainly no guarantees of starting then). Given that we're technically not allowed to even have contact at practice or scrimmage and given the interruptions of the holidays, its seems reasonable to plan on starting on January instead of hoping for approval before January and starting with a disjointed and unprepared season.
I disagree for ECNL U16 and olders. Everyone else, yes, please wait until January. Look, I paid for last half of season and got zero games. Then I'm paying this half of the season and guess what? No games. That means I've paid for one whole seasons worth of games and guess how many games my $3000 gave me? Zippo!!! I promise I'm not looking for a refund, I'm just SMFH and it's all directed at me. I gambled my money and I'm still holding out hope for a miracle after Nov 3rd......
 
I find that entertaining. So now you don't like what the CDC reports in their own study? The one that highlights masks appear not to be effective in preventing people from getting the virus?

Which aligns with the 14 studies previously documented by the CDC that shows that outside of a medical setting masks have little utility.

I don't believe you actually read the study.
 
I have some serious doubts as to the veracity of your statement regarding unknown risk.

COVID sucks for all but complaining doesn’t help. I guess I’m a make lemonade out of lemons type of guy. Isn’t mental fortitude an important quality for a keeper? What about the adage “if it doesn’t kill you, it will make you stronger?”
"I have some serious doubts as to the veracity of your statement regarding unknown risk."

LOL...I am a high risk person who was knocking on deaths door for 2 weeks 18 years ago and have no intention of doing that again not because of fear (they give you enough drugs when you are at that point you don't even know you are at deaths door and I know Heaven is a great place), but because I don't want to leave my kids without a parent right now. So....as I am sure you can understand, I have looked at playing soccer from every different direction possible including reviewing scientific studies and the following information:

1. Outdoor dining with no masks has been allowed for months with no set backs.
2. Arizona is one of the few states that has almost reached testing targets since they were scared straight and have been playing the game with no outbreaks and is at the same State risk level as California (California is NOT near testing targets).
3. New York and neighboring states continue to reach testing targets and have been playing the game with no outbreaks.
4. The CDC is condoning outdoor activity with precautions.
5. The SEC and ACCN games have been back to playing for several weeks now with no reported outbreaks because of the game. (I am creating a drinking game to drink every time you see a coach touch the front of their mask or pull up their mask when the camera is on them.)
6. CDC-
"The virus most often spreads through people who have symptoms." (I doubt a majority of parents would permit their child to play with symptoms of COVID which is "most often" how the virus spreads)....even if they do;
7. CDC-Considerations for who should get tested

  • People who have symptoms of COVID-19
  • People who have had close contact (within 6 feet of an infected person for at least 15 minutes) with someone with confirmed COVID-19
Given that: 1."15 minutes" of close contact ("within 6 feet") with an infected person is the low bar set for determining the need for testing and scientific studies support the 15 minute rule; 2. the nature of the game that limits the possibility of having 15 minutes of close contact ("within 6 feet") especially face to face (when in close contact players are usually looking down at the ball and/or are side by side and generally involves seconds of close contact); 3. all of the other live experiments in 40 something other states (many higher risk states) and 4. 47 other states and their medical experts have given approval to play soccer games, playing the game appears to be a very low risk activity.

In addition, when I considered the potential spread to my community if all of the above was proven to be wrong and there was a spread linked to a soccer game, I looked at the protocols of masks and social distancing that have been scientifically proven to diminish the risk of spread and my own live experiments (1. Client with 400 employees in Santa Ana a hot spot that has been working indoors since April with mask requirements and cubicle dividers, and has only had isolated incidents with no spread, and 2. My friend that is in management at a residential facility with protocols in place that also has had isolated incidents with no spread).

I see the greatest risk of spread is at the sidelines and gatherings. That is where protocols are very very important and enforcement is necessary.
 
I'd agree with this. It would also allow the players/families time to organize blackmarket pickup scrimmages and/or finalize Arizona/NV/Ut tournament plans. Would also give clarity for who's in and whose out. While they are at it, they really need to pull the trigger on State Cup too....the youngers at least won't be able to make it given that even a truncated season would run into it.

For CAN, State Cup has been pushed out to spring for the youngers. What's happening in CAS?
 
That means I've paid for one whole seasons worth of games and guess how many games my $3000 gave me? Zippo!!!

Not directed at you, Crush, but I think this comment is reflective of the thoughts of many SoCal Soccer parents this year.

I think many parents ‘feel’ they’re not getting what they paid for. Probably due to a lack of transparency at many clubs regarding club fees, combined with the letter league recruiting that goes on. It’s easy to correlate fees with games, but in most cases the majority of those club fees are for training, not league related costs.
 
Not directed at you, Crush, but I think this comment is reflective of the thoughts of many SoCal Soccer parents this year.

I think many parents ‘feel’ they’re not getting what they paid for. Probably due to a lack of transparency at many clubs regarding club fees, combined with the letter league recruiting that goes on. It’s easy to correlate fees with games, but in most cases the majority of those club fees are for training, not league related costs.
I hear ya and I have no issues with paying $3,000 for training. However, If I know what I know today, I would have sat out and kept my $3000 and gave it to my dd towards college. At this rate, socal girls will not play in a local soccer game for a long time and she might as well go try something else to play. Woe is me and I'm only talking to myself. I knew all the risk and Eagle was right and I was wrong. I lost two bets and $3,000. The training has sucked and its not the coaches fault. It sucks because it's weak 6 x 6.
 
Not directed at you, Crush, but I think this comment is reflective of the thoughts of many SoCal Soccer parents this year.

I think many parents ‘feel’ they’re not getting what they paid for. Probably due to a lack of transparency at many clubs regarding club fees, combined with the letter league recruiting that goes on. It’s easy to correlate fees with games, but in most cases the majority of those club fees are for training, not league related costs.

I hear ya and I have no issues with paying $3,000 for training. However, If I know what I know today, I would have sat out and kept my $3000 and gave it to my dd towards college. At this rate, socal girls will not play in a local soccer game for a long time and she might as well go try something else to play. Woe is me and I'm only talking to myself. I knew all the risk and Eagle was right and I was wrong. I lost two bets and $3,000. The training has sucked and its not the coaches fault. It sucks because it's weak 6 x 6.


Economically really what you are paying for is: a) to reserve your spot on the particular team, and b) any socialization your kid gets out of it. If you are talking pure soccer skills, assuming the coaches are observing the distancing rules and not holding blackmarket scrimmages or going out of state, you'd be better off pouring the money into a private trainer for the year and sparing yourself the coaching fees/field rentals/uniform costs.

It's really hard for parents to plan anything, though. My kid is playing down, the fees are really cheap, as a GK I don't mind he'd be missing his first year in the big goal (known as the "hell year" to most aspiring goalkeepers), so if socializing with his teammates keeps him going through the craziness I'm ok with it.
 
That doesn’t answer the question. This is the same evasive nonsense argument that kids aren’t killing each other, so it must be fine if they kill their family and other adults around them.
What you term evasive (cause you like to stir shit up) is the simple reality. It isn’t happening...the data proves it.
You don’t understand the plight because you can in no way relate. So sit down unless called upon cause you have ZERO to add.

Have a nice day!
 
What you term evasive (cause you like to stir shit up) is the simple reality. It isn’t happening...the data proves it.
You don’t understand the plight because you can in no way relate. So sit down unless called upon cause you have ZERO to add.

Have a nice day!
Hey Kicker, I know you to be a very strong dad. If I were to lose my boxing match with this dude EOTL, would you like to jump the line of Messy to get crack at him? EOTL, you cool with that? Also, many people on here have multiple avatars. If you happen to be Maps EOTL, the fight is 100% off and you and Kicker can go at it.........:)
 
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