New Girls DA Clubs Announced

Simisoccerfan said:
SoCal is not as strong in talent as we all think it is . Just look at how few girls from SoCal are in the US National team pools. There are plenty of teams worth playing outside of SoCal at all ages.
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And you don't consider the fact that it'd be politically unacceptable to have say 50%+ off the National Pool be from SoCal? That's how soccer work in this country and it's greenhorn to think otherwise.
 
Desert Hound said:
Well if you don't need to travel to play strong competition, why join DA or ECNL? You know going in those leagues travel.

So next year just play local and play the teams you like and don't travel. Problem solved.

Nobody forces you to place your kid in DA or ECNL.

After all it is the player, not the patch right?
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That's not a good argument. That's just a way of not addressing a problem. It's like telling a NBA player not to advocate for a good change in league rules or policy because the NBA player can always play in another league somewhere in the world.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
First please recognize that most of the country does not play HS soccer in the Winter so they would not be on this list. Also DA players except for private schools are not included since they are not allowed to play.
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The list included DA, ECNL, and any other league players. But you were correct some girls were being excluded due to the Winter/Fall/Spring breakdown.

So I looked at 4 star rated and higher 2019 grads. 20% were California, Texas has 9%, Florida has 6%, Everyone else 5% or below. Nevada has 4% and Arizona has 1%. No way around it, California is the hotbed for soccer.
 
socalkdg said:
The list included DA, ECNL, and any other league players. But you were correct some girls were being excluded due to the Winter/Fall/Spring breakdown.

So I looked at 4 star rated and higher 2019 grads. 20% were California, Texas has 9%, Florida has 6%, Everyone else 5% or below. Nevada has 4% and Arizona has 1%. No way around it, California is the hotbed for soccer.
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And a larger density of kids playing the game so yes the %s weigh in SoCal's favor. Take the percent and drill down farther to how many total are playing in club settings and then the percentages of 4star athletes for 2019. This would give you a better barometer by population playing. I don't know the answer it is just a thought. Maybe FL has a higher percentage or maybe TX or maybe CA holds is lead. who knows.
 
End of the Line said:
"Your a moron" is an absolute classic.

I never said that ACL injuries only happen in GDA, of course. I have said that GDA's rules significantly increase the risk, and there's really no disputing it given the wealth of information available, if you ever choose to read it.

How's all your advice on avoiding ACL injuries working out for people, BTW?
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There is a way to dispute it.. gather evidence of the amount of ACL injuries in the girls DA and compare it to similar leagues. One big thing you are missing with the DA is that many teams have access to a strength and conditioning coach as 1 of their 4 nights of training. (Some, not all)

I would say, a purely anecdotal experience, that the DA, from trainings and games observed, has had less injuries than my observations of other league play and tournament games.

There are no statistics to align with your argument because you haven’t factored in preventative measures. But go ahead with your “catch all” studies that feed your bias.
 
Blank95661 said:
More big club leaving the DA for the ECNL. http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2019/02/22/crossfire-premier-is-all-in-for-2019-20/
I wish US Soccer could get its act together and try to build on the success of the ECNL instead of competing with it.
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If they were really acting like non-profits and it really was all about the kids there could be A LOT more working together and less competition among ALL the clubs and organizations. Why not work together towards one overarching mission of growing soccer and the youth they "serve" versus the approach they take now with marketing, recruiting, competing for kids, leagues, etc. There's enough of a demand for youth soccer that collaborating and working together could serve all the clubs and youth better than how it works now, especially in So Cal.
 
vegasguy said:
And a larger density of kids playing the game so yes the %s weigh in SoCal's favor. Take the percent and drill down farther to how many total are playing in club settings and then the percentages of 4star athletes for 2019. This would give you a better barometer by population playing. I don't know the answer it is just a thought. Maybe FL has a higher percentage or maybe TX or maybe CA holds is lead. who knows.
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California has 12% of the population of the United States, Texas 9%, Florida 6%, so based on that only California is out performing it's percentage of quality players out of the three largest states. 20% top recruits for California based off of 12% population. Feel good your daughters are playing soccer in California.
 
MarkM said:
That's great that Crossfire Premier is fully funding the teams and it looks like only one team per age group. Hopefully they continue to fund beyond 2019-2020. Big score for ECNL.
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Not sure you can say fully funding. Article says "fully funding all ECNL travel expenses"...which doesn't look to be a lot since it looks like ECNL is trying to build up a Pac NW division. Crossfire have it tough regardless with limited competition in their area and having to travel to Nor Cal.
 
socalkdg said:
California has 12% of the population of the United States, Texas 9%, Florida 6%, so based on that only California is out performing it's percentage of quality players out of the three largest states. 20% top recruits for California based off of 12% population. Feel good your daughters are playing soccer in California.
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That is fuzzy math but OK.
 
Playmaker38 said:
There is a way to dispute it.. gather evidence of the amount of ACL injuries in the girls DA and compare it to similar leagues. One big thing you are missing with the DA is that many teams have access to a strength and conditioning coach as 1 of their 4 nights of training. (Some, not all)

I would say, a purely anecdotal experience, that the DA, from trainings and games observed, has had less injuries than my observations of other league play and tournament games.

There are no statistics to align with your argument because you haven’t factored in preventative measures. But go ahead with your “catch all” studies that feed your bias.
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My god, please just speak with an expert.

As for your point about the handful of clubs that do things right, it's great if you or your daughter's club have the financial resources and dedication necessary to ensure that your kid has appropriate access to strength and conditioning coaching and other preventative measure to help ameliorate the risk associated with GDA's unnecessary rules, but I'm not talking about what is an idealistic fantasy world for most of the kids who play in the GDA. You're essentially arguing that Russian roulette is fine because kids at some GDA clubs are playing it with only 2 bullets in the chamber instead of the usual 4 bullets at most GDA clubs.

Do me a favor and compare the clubs that USSF is bringing in to replace the real clubs that have left - big clubs that generally do things right like PDA, FC Stars, Boston Breakers, Slammers, Eclipse, Crossfire, Michigan Hawks, plus NYCFC which will apparently be next to give notice. The clubs that are leaving have the financial resources to help limit the risk, while the clubs that are coming mostly do not. Seriously, you can't look at these two lists and say with a straight face that USSF is even remotely concerned about the health or safety of its players, let alone that its member clubs are implementing an appropriate curriculum and have the financial resources to pay competent staff needed to ameliorate the rules that make GDA dangerous. Shoot, many of the clubs that USSF is bringing in can't even field teams in every age group. In the end, what you're left with rules for most GDA players that are dangerous and zero appropriate "preventative measures", let alone adequate ones that might conceivably justify the risk.

Regardless, this will soon be a moot point because GDA is in a death spiral.
 
End of the Line said:
My god, please just speak with an expert.

As for your point about the handful of clubs that do things right, it's great if you or your daughter's club have the financial resources and dedication necessary to ensure that your kid has appropriate access to strength and conditioning coaching and other preventative measure to help ameliorate the risk associated with GDA's unnecessary rules, but I'm not talking about what is an idealistic fantasy world for most of the kids who play in the GDA. You're essentially arguing that Russian roulette is fine because kids at some GDA clubs are playing it with only 2 bullets in the chamber instead of the usual 4 bullets at most GDA clubs.

Do me a favor and compare the clubs that USSF is bringing in to replace the real clubs that have left - big clubs that generally do things right like PDA, FC Stars, Boston Breakers, Slammers, Eclipse, Crossfire, Michigan Hawks, plus NYCFC which will apparently be next to give notice. The clubs that are leaving have the financial resources to help limit the risk, while the clubs that are coming mostly do not. Seriously, you can't look at these two lists and say with a straight face that USSF is even remotely concerned about the health or safety of its players, let alone that its member clubs are implementing an appropriate curriculum and have the financial resources to pay competent staff needed to ameliorate the rules that make GDA dangerous. Shoot, many of the clubs that USSF is bringing in can't even field teams in every age group. In the end, what you're left with rules for most GDA players that are dangerous and zero appropriate "preventative measures", let alone adequate ones that might conceivably justify the risk.

Regardless, this will soon be a moot point because GDA is in a death spiral.
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I’ll put your hate for the DA aside and ask you to go off on another rant. What do your studies, stats and figures say about high school soccer cramming 20+ games into <3 months?

Where players who are actually somewhat decent will take on more of a load in 80 minutes (let’s be real the best ones aren’t coming out very often) than on a DA team where their teammates can share the workload with them. These players also don’t have access to strength and conditioning coaches, they are often coached by teachers or club coaches with little coaching education (not that this is a be all end all but it shows investment in the game) they couldn’t spell periodization if you asked them to and they train between games every week because they know they have to win to keep their job.

Do you have stats on the safety of this? Because my, doesn’t enjoy reading articles to prove me right in internet arguments brain, computes that this would be a greater risk to players than 4 nights a week of structured training based on periodization and 90 minutes up to twice on a weekend.

But I’m just a lowly person who still doesn’t know what ameliorate means.
 
Playmaker38 said:
I’ll put your hate for the DA aside and ask you to go off on another rant. What do your studies, stats and figures say about high school soccer cramming 20+ games into <3 months?

Where players who are actually somewhat decent will take on more of a load in 80 minutes (let’s be real the best ones aren’t coming out very often) than on a DA team where their teammates can share the workload with them. These players also don’t have access to strength and conditioning coaches, they are often coached by teachers or club coaches with little coaching education (not that this is a be all end all but it shows investment in the game) they couldn’t spell periodization if you asked them to and they train between games every week because they know they have to win to keep their job.

Do you have stats on the safety of this? Because my, doesn’t enjoy reading articles to prove me right in internet arguments brain, computes that this would be a greater risk to players than 4 nights a week of structured training based on periodization and 90 minutes up to twice on a weekend.

But I’m just a lowly person who still doesn’t know what ameliorate means.
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Don’t waste your time! I’ve asked him that question (and several others that invalidate his argument) to which there is nothing but silence or deflection.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
SoCal is not as strong in talent as we all think it is . Just look at how few girls from SoCal are in the US National team pools. There are plenty of teams worth playing outside of SoCal at all ages.
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I disagree. It is abundant with talent. What I would say is that the talent is not cultivated nearly as well as it could be. Too many coaches focused of the archaic mantra of size and speed.
 
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