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Does anyone have any more information on MLS2? I am trying to find information online but it's pretty sparse. I assume they will be their own league but how much of a geographical reach will it be? It seems a lot of EA teams will move up to MLS2. Will this have any rhyme or reason, like promotion or relegation or is everything just getting more stupid and complicated and spreading out the talent even more?

Can you play high school soccer and play MLS2?

thanks!
 
Does anyone have any more information on MLS2? I am trying to find information online but it's pretty sparse. I assume they will be their own league but how much of a geographical reach will it be? It seems a lot of EA teams will move up to MLS2. Will this have any rhyme or reason, like promotion or relegation or is everything just getting more stupid and complicated and spreading out the talent even more?

Can you play high school soccer and play MLS2?

thanks!
It’s getting more stupid and complicated and spreading out the talent.

The reason for it is mlsn on the east coast rebelled against ea and formed its own ndl. They wanted more flexibility in being able to bring down bench and reserve players to get play time. So to resolve the split they formed mls 2 in cooperation with ea (which is supposed to administer here in SoCal). So mls2 is now where big clubs are supposed to put their 2nd tier teams. Ea is now 3rd and ea2 is now 4th (and they are pretty much letting anyone in now to ea2). Mls2 is a nation wide consolidation (at least in areas where there is mlsn…some like the pacific nw don’t have a large mlsn presence outside academies)

But in SoCal the reorg has no rhyme or reason. La surf lost a team. Albion Bakersfield didn’t get it. Neither did SoCal elite which had been let into ea a few years ago and in a short time had stronger records than say Laguna which they kept. They added two new ones out of the blue (juventus which was a coast club, and oaks which was ea2 which had some success but wasn’t exactly dominant…this follows the pattern of selecting lasc reds and bulls out of the blue into mlsn). Albion la is going to be forced to consolidate sm Albion (which prob has the best coaching staff), La Albion (which has the award but has struggled given what happened with Laufa), Santa Ana (which is the most robust) and new acquisition fc England. The Albion kids all most likely wind up with big commutes to Long Beach. Most established clubs like tfa or strikers are just moving their ea teams up to mls2 but some clubs have been struggling to build out their programs and there are rumors lasc and the bulls have been struggling with finding coaches and space to accommodate all the new teams (lasc is really spread out right now from the sgv to the sfv to downtown la).

So in the immediate future at least in SoCal mls2 is going to be a real disjointed league. If it works as intended and they bring down a substantial amount of mls futures and reserve players, it’s hard to see how clubs like juventus, the bulls, lasc, conejo, Laguna and even riverside are going to be able to keep up. Likewise the better players have now left ea or are in the process or trying out and ea is going to be hugely disbalanced with SoCal elite and strikers going against a bunch of newly promoted teams. While the structure likely makes sense in the long term, in the short term it’s going to be very unbalanced for both ea and mls2 (SoCal elite and sm Albion will probably wind up being shells of their former selves). Long term it probably also means the death of remaining little local clubs like newbury park elite or places like moorpark if they don’t jump into ea2 and SoCal league becomes just a league for littles.

Yes they are saying the mls2 players can play high school (at least the first year) though because of what’s going on with the age line and depending on what happens with the bench/reserve it might change down the road. The chief reason why no high school for mlsn is there is no national high school season and they can’t have the academies there without scrimmage partners for chunks of the year. The regular mlsn teams are cannon fodder for the academies.
 
Does anyone have any more information on MLS2? I am trying to find information online but it's pretty sparse. I assume they will be their own league but how much of a geographical reach will it be? It seems a lot of EA teams will move up to MLS2. Will this have any rhyme or reason, like promotion or relegation or is everything just getting more stupid and complicated and spreading out the talent even more?

Can you play high school soccer and play MLS2?

thanks!
I don't know ALL the details of the league, but I know a coach who is leading a MLS Next 2 team here in SD. You can play HS soccer still. Confirmed.
 
It’s getting more stupid and complicated and spreading out the talent.

The reason for it is mlsn on the east coast rebelled against ea and formed its own ndl. They wanted more flexibility in being able to bring down bench and reserve players to get play time. So to resolve the split they formed mls 2 in cooperation with ea (which is supposed to administer here in SoCal). So mls2 is now where big clubs are supposed to put their 2nd tier teams. Ea is now 3rd and ea2 is now 4th (and they are pretty much letting anyone in now to ea2). Mls2 is a nation wide consolidation (at least in areas where there is mlsn…some like the pacific nw don’t have a large mlsn presence outside academies)

But in SoCal the reorg has no rhyme or reason. La surf lost a team. Albion Bakersfield didn’t get it. Neither did SoCal elite which had been let into ea a few years ago and in a short time had stronger records than say Laguna which they kept. They added two new ones out of the blue (juventus which was a coast club, and oaks which was ea2 which had some success but wasn’t exactly dominant…this follows the pattern of selecting lasc reds and bulls out of the blue into mlsn). Albion la is going to be forced to consolidate sm Albion (which prob has the best coaching staff), La Albion (which has the award but has struggled given what happened with Laufa), Santa Ana (which is the most robust) and new acquisition fc England. The Albion kids all most likely wind up with big commutes to Long Beach. Most established clubs like tfa or strikers are just moving their ea teams up to mls2 but some clubs have been struggling to build out their programs and there are rumors lasc and the bulls have been struggling with finding coaches and space to accommodate all the new teams (lasc is really spread out right now from the sgv to the sfv to downtown la).

So in the immediate future at least in SoCal mls2 is going to be a real disjointed league. If it works as intended and they bring down a substantial amount of mls futures and reserve players, it’s hard to see how clubs like juventus, the bulls, lasc, conejo, Laguna and even riverside are going to be able to keep up. Likewise the better players have now left ea or are in the process or trying out and ea is going to be hugely disbalanced with SoCal elite and strikers going against a bunch of newly promoted teams. While the structure likely makes sense in the long term, in the short term it’s going to be very unbalanced for both ea and mls2 (SoCal elite and sm Albion will probably wind up being shells of their former selves). Long term it probably also means the death of remaining little local clubs like newbury park elite or places like moorpark if they don’t jump into ea2 and SoCal league becomes just a league for littles.

Yes they are saying the mls2 players can play high school (at least the first year) though because of what’s going on with the age line and depending on what happens with the bench/reserve it might change down the road. The chief reason why no high school for mlsn is there is no national high school season and they can’t have the academies there without scrimmage partners for chunks of the year. The regular mlsn teams are cannon fodder for the academies.
I've heard the age change rule won't be applicable for MLSN next year.
 
In Northern California, it's a glorified NPL but trying to market it as something elite. My favorite part is how the majority of clubs social media marketing(especially those who don't have full MLS status), they never mention MLS 2, only MLS Next. Do your homework parents :)
 
I don't know ALL the details of the league, but I know a coach who is leading a MLS Next 2 team here in SD. You can play HS soccer still. Confirmed.
CIF appears to prohibit external competition during the soccer season (as a condition for HS eligibility). See: https://www.cifstate.org/governance/constitution/600_Series.pdf This would only affect HS eligibility; one would certainly still play club during the HS season, but not both, as I read it.

There may be local area rules which supersede the state-level ones; I do not know. Note also that only competitions are prohibited by CIF; it appears to me that practices are still allowed.

Also, CIF only prohibits external competition during the winter season; if a HS has another or different soccer season, that would not be prohibited.
 
CIF appears to prohibit external competition during the soccer season (as a condition for HS eligibility). See: https://www.cifstate.org/governance/constitution/600_Series.pdf This would only affect HS eligibility; one would certainly still play club during the HS season, but not both, as I read it.

There may be local area rules which supersede the state-level ones; I do not know. Note also that only competitions are prohibited by CIF; it appears to me that practices are still allowed.

Also, CIF only prohibits external competition during the winter season; if a HS has another or different soccer season, that would not be prohibited.
I think you can still train with the club team during the high school season, IIRC. Not 100% sure on that.
 
Can someone translate how teams/clubs are starting to signify these new teams for Fall 25? I'm seeing team names "MLS AD", "MLS HD", along with the more traditional just "MLS Next" and some "MLS2". What do we think the AD and HD mean - is AD the existing MLS Next teams, and HD is the "new mls2"? Is it the other way around? Or neither? There isn't enough game history to definitively determine which team is which, and/or which team is the same as any legacy team.
 
We were given the complete set of league documents rules waivers code of conduct etc and AD stands for Academy Division. The docs are register when you register your player. You also need a concussion baseline test.

The official name is MLS NextAcademy Division.
 
We were given the complete set of league documents rules waivers code of conduct etc and AD stands for Academy Division. The docs are register when you register your player. You also need a concussion baseline test.

The official name is MLS NextAcademy Division.
This is the new league, The MLSN League is now MLSN Homegrown.
 
We were given the complete set of league documents rules waivers code of conduct etc and AD stands for Academy Division. The docs are register when you register your player. You also need a concussion baseline test.

The official name is MLS NextAcademy Division.

Thanks! Oof, that's going to be fun - with "Academy" always being used most everywhere else to signify the top team for a club - while here it means the 2nd level teams, and the "real" team is called HomeGrown. It's almost as if it's intentionally chosen to confuse, rather than clarify.

"We'd like to offer you a spot in our MLS Academy team!"
 
I don’t disagree. Of interest it appears they will not allow players to play in other leagues…. We will see how people interpret the rules. May vs shall….

“Clubs may not permit any Player to participate in outside competition with another Club during the Season, except as set forth in this Section and in connection with a Player's National Team duty and/or Youth National Team Identification Center participation. Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their Players and Club Representatives, as well as the Club parents, spectators, and volunteers. Players will be subject to discipline by both their own Club and operator”
 
It's been our experience locally that MLSN clubs tend to ignore the exclusivity rules, and have kids play on outside non-MLSN teams all the time, "futures" or not. The other leagues, even when called on it, seem to be happy allowing them to break their own rules - believing that having them play in the secondary league is a net win.
 
MLS next AD (academy) sounds like a higher level than MLS next HG (homegrown). Academy has always been used to signi the top team. Why would they do this? Ridiculous.
 
Probably because it's that much more attractive to parents to say their kid will be on an MLSN Academy team, rather than being more plain-speak and accurate, saying that they will be on an objectively weak team that would be expected to get smashed by RL or even many NPL teams. SR will cut through the obfuscation and make this clear, like it does right now for any team that has "MLS2" in their name - but it won't be nearly enough to counter less than savvy customers chasing a name.
 
There are a handful of clubs who haven't gotten the memo yet, and are still playing teams as "MLS Tier 1" and "MLS Tier 2" as recently as last weekend - but there won't be many left if the "AD" and "HG" acronyms are widely adopted for team names.

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Here's every top team in the US with MLS2 or MLS II in their name, with enough game results for their rating to be statistically relevant:

"MLS II"

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