Massacre Again

[espola]

Not sure where to start with this. Do we need some sort of gun reform? Yes. But actual laws that make sense. Take the roster here in CA for example. I CAN buy a Gen3 Glock19 but I CAN'T buy a Gen4 or Gen5. The differences are minimal and do nothing but restrict law-abiding citizens from purchasing a better version of the same pistols that shoots the same ammo from the same magazines. Magazine capacity restrictions are useless. Just ask the criminals that have "standard capacity" magazines. There have been cases of home invasion robberies where the law-abiding citizen's life was saved due to the extra rounds in their firearm they used to defend themselves.
I don't agree with some states where you can meet someone in the Walmart parking lot and purchase a firearm and there is no accountability to the firearm changing owners. It could easily fall into the wrong hands.
Yes there are people who shouldn't be allowed to own firearms. Some slip thru the cracks though. Convicted criminals...shouldn't be allowed. Look at the dirtbag that killed two El Monte PD officers. Convicted felon. Not sure how he got is gun. He should've still been in jail in the first place. (That's a whole other thread for later.)
Responsible ownership begins at home. I've taught all my kids how to shoot. My wife and I agreed we'd allow them to start shooting at 10.
Our oldest learned no problem. She's now in college. Our 14yo lacked the maturity and therefore didn't pull his first trigger until he was 12. Now then, my 9yo started when he was 7. He showed the maturity and the knowledge. He asks the most questions and wants to learn. He knows the boundaries..doesn't touch ANYTHING without first asking. All my guns are locked up. But I can also leave my CCW piece holstered on the counter and know that nobody is going to touch it. Obviously it's not left out if anyone other than my family is in the house. And I don't normally just leave it laying out regardless.
We have guns protecting all the "important people" in the world. We have guns protecting our money. We have guns protecting jewelry stores. Yet we don't have guns protecting our most precious commodity..our kids at school. Why? Because people think they're scary! I can't walk on campus with my CCW. An off-duty LE officer can't either. Only a uniformed officer can carry on campus. That logic is beyond stupid. There's a reason bad people commit these horrific crimes at these places. "Soft targets" don't shoot back. They know this. The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Call it cliche but it's the truth. Uvalde was unfortunately a bit of an anomaly. LE obviously screwed up..save for the BORTAC guys...and a few ballsy parents.
Everyday in the US nearly 29 people die in car accidents involving alcohol. That's 1 every 50mins. Over 10,000 per year. 200+ are children. What are we doing about that? How many drug OD's every day in America. What are we doing about that?
Look at any given weekend in Chicago. Yeah..gun control is working out really well there.
Let's defund the police. When seconds count..they're just minutes away. Another cliche..but another truth. Why do you think gun sales have increased dramatically. Even gun-hating Democrats are getting their first firearms. It's funny to see their faces.." I have to wait 10 days for the gun? I can't just run into Big 5 and buy some ammo?" They look perplexed when you tell them they're the reason these stupid laws exist.
Don't crap on LE though. Yes there are bad cops. But there's plenty of bad firefighters, doctors, nurses, teachers, soccer coaches, etc. Unless you have LE family..or done a ride-a-long with a busy agency..you have no clue of the job they do.
I could go on..but honestly feel it's a bit useless with some people. I won't change their mind on firearms..and they sure as hell aren't going to infringe on my 2A rights.
One last thing..don't go spouting mindless drivel on the subject of firearms if you don't know what you're talking about. If you have a meaningful question..there's plenty of online places to find the answer. This is probably the last place to look. Yes you'll find some straight answers..but we both know you're just trying to stir the pot some more. Counter-productive. My .02

Could you provide some examples of "cases of home invasion robberies where the law-abiding citizen's life was saved due to the extra rounds in their firearm they used to defend themselves"?

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Could you provide some examples of "cases of home invasion robberies where the law-abiding citizen's life was saved due to the extra rounds in their firearm they used to defend themselves"?

That had me shaking my head. Then I got to the whataboutism veiled by “what are we doing about that?” and then the attempt to cling to rightwing straw men. Crush again?
Just another desperate plea to adhere to the NRA talking points. We are all so beyond that, with the exception of the “Again” crowd.

 

[Lion Eyes]

Could you provide some examples of "cases of home invasion robberies where the law-abiding citizen's life was saved due to the extra rounds in their firearm they used to defend themselves"?

Could you tell us the price of tea in China or maybe the price of ice in Alaska?
The examples are out there Magoo, found these in a few minutes...have a nice day.

Hesperia homeowner fends off intruder in gun battle caught on camera

A Hesperia homeowner exchanged gunfire with a man who was trying to break into his home.

abc7.com

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/l...asion/67-202ec38a-761e-48e0-be15-5b95978a91ed

Texas mom guns down home intruder as her kids sleep: cops

A Texas mother-of-three shot and killed a man who broke into her home while her children were asleep — but police say she won’t face any charges.

nypost.com

'I have the right to protect myself:' Washington man shoots, kills suspected home burglar

A man in Spanaway, Washington shot and killed one of two men he said were trying to break into his home early Thursday.

www.q13fox.com

Oklahoma man killed three teen home intruders using AR-15 rifle

A 23-year-old Oklahoma man used a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle to shoot and kill three intruders who broke into his home Monday afternoon in a suburb of Tulsa.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[espola]

Could you tell us the price of tea in China or maybe the price of ice in Alaska?
The examples are out there Magoo, found these in a few minutes...have a nice day.

Hesperia homeowner fends off intruder in gun battle caught on camera

A Hesperia homeowner exchanged gunfire with a man who was trying to break into his home.

abc7.com

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/l...asion/67-202ec38a-761e-48e0-be15-5b95978a91ed

Texas mom guns down home intruder as her kids sleep: cops

A Texas mother-of-three shot and killed a man who broke into her home while her children were asleep — but police say she won’t face any charges.

nypost.com

'I have the right to protect myself:' Washington man shoots, kills suspected home burglar

A man in Spanaway, Washington shot and killed one of two men he said were trying to break into his home early Thursday.

www.q13fox.com

Oklahoma man killed three teen home intruders using AR-15 rifle

A 23-year-old Oklahoma man used a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle to shoot and kill three intruders who broke into his home Monday afternoon in a suburb of Tulsa.

www.nbcnews.com

My question concerned the extra rounds in the oversize magazine pewpew mentioned. None of those stories mention oversized magazines.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

My question concerned the extra rounds in the oversize magazine pewpew mentioned. None of those stories mention oversized magazines.

That’s what lying eyes does. He posts an answer to a question that wasn’t asked.

 

[Lion Eyes]

My question concerned the extra rounds in the oversize magazine pewpew mentioned. None of those stories mention oversized magazines.

No where was 'oversized" magazine mentioned in your question below...
The question below was answered...

"Could you provide some examples of "cases of home invasion robberies where the law-abiding citizen's life was saved due to the extra rounds in their firearm they used to defend themselves"?

 

[Lion Eyes]

That’s what lying eyes does. He posts an answer to a question that wasn’t asked.

Look at you Daffy... once again sticking your ugly ass nose into something you are are clueless about...
Nice of you to stick up for your mentor and only friend you have.

 

[espola]

No where was 'oversized" magazine mentioned in your question below...
The question below was answered...

"Could you provide some examples of "cases of home invasion robberies where the law-abiding citizen's life was saved due to the extra rounds in their firearm they used to defend themselves"?

Didn't read the thread? Pewpew stated that home defenders used the "extra rounds" in their large magazines to finish off their attackers as part of his argument against magazine size restrictions. I asked for examples. In one case you cited, the home defender fired two rounds and then his gun jammed.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Didn't read the thread? Pewpew stated that home defenders used the "extra rounds" in their large magazines to finish off their attackers arguing against magazine size restrictions. I asked for examples. In one case you cited, the home defender fired two rounds and then his gun jammed.

Now if that jam cost the person their life could the relatives sue the gun manufacturer?

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Look at you Daffy... once again sticking your ugly ass nose into something you are are clueless about...
Nice of you to stick up for your mentor and only friend you have.

Yet you can’t illustrate your attempted point, you never have, you just lash out, always have.

 

[espola]

Now if that jam cost the person their life could the relatives sue the gun manufacturer?

The manufacturer will ask for details such as how often the gun was used, when was the last cleaning, whether the owner has gun-cleaning supplies and knows how to use them, whether the user knows how to clear a jam, etc.

 

[espola]

That had me shaking my head. Then I got to the whataboutism veiled by “what are we doing about that?” and then the attempt to cling to rightwing straw men. Crush again?
Just another desperate plea to adhere to the NRA talking points. We are all so beyond that, with the exception of the “Again” crowd.

With respect to NRA and its political power -- one Congressman was asked yesterday what he thought of the bipartisan compromise gun control bill being proposed. He said he was waiting for the NRA's statement of their position on it.

 

[Lion Eyes]

Yet you can’t illustrate your attempted point, you never have, you just lash out, always have.

More of the same from the pinhead

 

[Lion Eyes]

Didn't read the thread? Pewpew stated that home defenders used the "extra rounds" in their large magazines to finish off their attackers as part of his argument against magazine size restrictions. I asked for examples. In one case you cited, the home defender fired two rounds and then his gun jammed.

Thank god his first two rounds hit the target....

 

[espola]

More of the same from the pinhead

It seems that your debate skills are limited to your favorite cartoon characters.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Thank god his first two rounds hit the target....

I prefer to capitalize the names of deities out of respect to believers. I don’t see it as blasphemous, just respect for others beliefs. I guess I should be capitalizing Trump’s name from now on out of respect for all you true believers out there.

 

[thirteenknots]

Not sure where to start with this. Do we need some sort of gun reform? Yes. But actual laws that make sense. Take the roster here in CA for example. I CAN buy a Gen3 Glock19 but I CAN'T buy a Gen4 or Gen5. The differences are minimal and do nothing but restrict law-abiding citizens from purchasing a better version of the same pistols that shoots the same ammo from the same magazines. Magazine capacity restrictions are useless. Just ask the criminals that have "standard capacity" magazines. There have been cases of home invasion robberies where the law-abiding citizen's life was saved due to the extra rounds in their firearm they used to defend themselves.
I don't agree with some states where you can meet someone in the Walmart parking lot and purchase a firearm and there is no accountability to the firearm changing owners. It could easily fall into the wrong hands.
Yes there are people who shouldn't be allowed to own firearms. Some slip thru the cracks though. Convicted criminals...shouldn't be allowed. Look at the dirtbag that killed two El Monte PD officers. Convicted felon. Not sure how he got is gun. He should've still been in jail in the first place. (That's a whole other thread for later.)
Responsible ownership begins at home. I've taught all my kids how to shoot. My wife and I agreed we'd allow them to start shooting at 10.
Our oldest learned no problem. She's now in college. Our 14yo lacked the maturity and therefore didn't pull his first trigger until he was 12. Now then, my 9yo started when he was 7. He showed the maturity and the knowledge. He asks the most questions and wants to learn. He knows the boundaries..doesn't touch ANYTHING without first asking. All my guns are locked up. But I can also leave my CCW piece holstered on the counter and know that nobody is going to touch it. Obviously it's not left out if anyone other than my family is in the house. And I don't normally just leave it laying out regardless.
We have guns protecting all the "important people" in the world. We have guns protecting our money. We have guns protecting jewelry stores. Yet we don't have guns protecting our most precious commodity..our kids at school. Why? Because people think they're scary! I can't walk on campus with my CCW. An off-duty LE officer can't either. Only a uniformed officer can carry on campus. That logic is beyond stupid. There's a reason bad people commit these horrific crimes at these places. "Soft targets" don't shoot back. They know this. The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Call it cliche but it's the truth. Uvalde was unfortunately a bit of an anomaly. LE obviously screwed up..save for the BORTAC guys...and a few ballsy parents.
Everyday in the US nearly 29 people die in car accidents involving alcohol. That's 1 every 50mins. Over 10,000 per year. 200+ are children. What are we doing about that? How many drug OD's every day in America. What are we doing about that?
Look at any given weekend in Chicago. Yeah..gun control is working out really well there.
Let's defund the police. When seconds count..they're just minutes away. Another cliche..but another truth. Why do you think gun sales have increased dramatically. Even gun-hating Democrats are getting their first firearms. It's funny to see their faces.." I have to wait 10 days for the gun? I can't just run into Big 5 and buy some ammo?" They look perplexed when you tell them they're the reason these stupid laws exist.
Don't crap on LE though. Yes there are bad cops. But there's plenty of bad firefighters, doctors, nurses, teachers, soccer coaches, etc. Unless you have LE family..or done a ride-a-long with a busy agency..you have no clue of the job they do.
I could go on..but honestly feel it's a bit useless with some people. I won't change their mind on firearms..and they sure as hell aren't going to infringe on my 2A rights.
One last thing..don't go spouting mindless drivel on the subject of firearms if you don't know what you're talking about. If you have a meaningful question..there's plenty of online places to find the answer. This is probably the last place to look. Yes you'll find some straight answers..but we both know you're just trying to stir the pot some more. Counter-productive. My .02

Parenting 100%

 

[thirteenknots]

Could you provide some examples of "cases of home invasion robberies where the law-abiding citizen's life was saved due to the extra rounds in their firearm they used to defend themselves"?

Virginia a few weeks ago, a woman with CCW and " Sufficient " backup rounds.
All it takes is accuracy and " 1 " initial round.

Do you think the " Gun Manufacturer/Clip size " is responsible for the CHP Officer that was
shot or the two El Monte Officers that were shot/Killed yesterday or Parenting and George Gascon.

Take your time and THINK about your response....

 

[Lion Eyes]

It seems that your debate skills are limited to your favorite cartoon characters.

When in Rome....

 

[Lion Eyes]

I prefer to capitalize the names of deities out of respect to believers. I don’t see it as blasphemous, just respect for others beliefs. I guess I should be capitalizing Trump’s name from now on out of respect for all you true believers out there.

WTF?
How you bent the conversation about folks defending themselves into something regarding Trump shows a real special kind of logic...