Let Them Play CA

[EOTL]

Masks aren’t “the primary driver’ either. Masks are one of many variables.

Masks, distance, and being outdoors are some of the the variables we can control.

Age, variant, and weather are some of the variables we cannot.

Hey, check it out. Silent transmission is the primary driver.

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-07-07/silent-coronavirus-transmission-the-primary-driver-of-covid-19-outbreaks

No, it’s children, except when go to school or soccer tournaments because they become impervious there.

Health experts: children primary driver of COVID transmission

About 13 percent of the cases of COVID-19 in Douglas County are in children.

www.3newsnow.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/who-warns-young-people-are-emerging-as-main-spreaders-of-the-coronavirus/2020/08/18/1822ee92-e18f-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html

No, it’s young adults

Governor: Young Adults Are ‘Primary Driver’ of Coronavirus as Iowa’s Cases Become Worst in Nation

DES MOINES, Iowa — Younger people are a significant reason for Iowa’s current standing with the Trump administration as the worst state in the country for the spread of the coronavirus,…

who13.com

No, it’s traveling

Worldwide COVID-19 spreading explained: traveling numbers as a primary driver for the pandemic - PubMed

The spread of SARS-CoV-2 and the distribution of cases worldwide followed no clear biogeographic, climatic, or cultural trend. Conversely, the internationally busiest cities in all countries tended to be the hardest hit, suggesting a basic, mathematically neutral pattern of the new coronavirus...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

No, it’s stupid people in Southern California, which we all know has some of the worst winter weather anywhere.

Southern California is a main driver of state's record COVID-19 deaths, with no signs of a letup

Los Angeles Times, Dec. 10, 2020

news.uci.edu

No, it’s going to restaurants and the gym.

How to stop restaurants from driving COVID infections

US mobile data suggests restaurants, gyms and cafes can be COVID hotspots — and reveals strategies for limiting spread.

www.nature.com

No, it is Marmalade-a-lago

Study Finds ‘Single Largest Driver’ of Coronavirus Misinformation: Trump (Published 2020)

Cornell University researchers analyzing 38 million English-language articles about the pandemic found that President Trump was the largest driver of the “infodemic.”

www.nytimes.com

 

[crush]

Let them play. Great Park last night was amazing with beautiful sunset. Place was packed again Play Ball!!!!!

 

[MacDre]

My grandfather who was born in the early 1920s had a cigarette pack holder in his closet for years. It said " Smoke Coffin Nails" on it. He smoked Pall Malls for 50 years. There were concerns about the health risks of smoking beginning in the 20s. The first scientific studies regarding the dangers of cigarette smoking began to emerge in the 1950s with the studies being published in 1964 clearly linking smoking to lung cancer and other health risks. By the 1980s, there were warnings on packaging and the risks were well known. If you started smoking after these reports and warnings came out, that's kinda on you.

I disagree. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t force it to drink. People in this community take advice from their religious leaders not from corrupt nerds that write biased reports for companies that hate small businesses. You see those reports were put out by liberals because they want you to come work in their factories etc. etc. Many of these folks prefer to pray and “leave it in god’s hand” rather than seek medical treatment. So the fact that there were reports of adverse health effects way back is meaningless if you don’t analyze it in the proper context.

 

[soccersc]

More strong signs we might be back soon!! Hopefully Newsom is not telling another story. @EOTL says Newsom cares about us and wants what's best for us, so hopefully he is right about this one, because he @EOTL hasn't been right about too many things!!! Newsom said, “I share that and we are processing that, and I am very hopeful, very hopeful — I really mean this — I am very, very hopeful that we can find a compromise here and I believe that’s possible as long as these case rates continue to move in the direction they’re moving.” He even said I REALLY MEAN THIS, so he must be telling the truth. There is a coaching group meeting with Dr. Ghaly today so we'll see.

COVID-19: Gov. Newsom addresses prep sports lawsuits, return-to-play status

Gavin Newsom on prep sports: “I really mean this, I am very, very hopeful that we can find a compromise here”

www.mercurynews.com

 

[crush]

More strong signs we might be back soon!! Hopefully Newsom is not telling another story. @EOTL says Newsom cares about us and wants what's best for us, so hopefully he is right about this one, because he @EOTL hasn't been right about too many things!!! Newsom said, “I share that and we are processing that, and I am very hopeful, very hopeful — I really mean this — I am very, very hopeful that we can find a compromise here and I believe that’s possible as long as these case rates continue to move in the direction they’re moving.” He even said I REALLY MEAN THIS, so he must be telling the truth. There is a coaching group meeting with Dr. Ghaly today so we'll see.

COVID-19: Gov. Newsom addresses prep sports lawsuits, return-to-play status

Gavin Newsom on prep sports: “I really mean this, I am very, very hopeful that we can find a compromise here”

www.mercurynews.com

All we have is hope and prayer. Some have hope and wish for luck. Hope plus good vibes works as well. Hope and fairness is all I want. I do pray for peace but that is personal choice. I dont like hate and division. I want love & mercy taught to all. Love others and teach with mercy is one hell of a place to live.

 

[texanincali]

More strong signs we might be back soon!! Hopefully Newsom is not telling another story. @EOTL says Newsom cares about us and wants what's best for us, so hopefully he is right about this one, because he @EOTL hasn't been right about too many things!!! Newsom said, “I share that and we are processing that, and I am very hopeful, very hopeful — I really mean this — I am very, very hopeful that we can find a compromise here and I believe that’s possible as long as these case rates continue to move in the direction they’re moving.” He even said I REALLY MEAN THIS, so he must be telling the truth. There is a coaching group meeting with Dr. Ghaly today so we'll see.

COVID-19: Gov. Newsom addresses prep sports lawsuits, return-to-play status

Gavin Newsom on prep sports: “I really mean this, I am very, very hopeful that we can find a compromise here”

www.mercurynews.com

Good to see he may be coming around. Unfortunate that he has waited until his political career is in possible tatters. My guess is that kids get back on the field, but I think this has come too late in the game for him to save himself.

 

[crush]

Good to see he may be coming around. Unfortunate that he has waited until his political career is in possible tatters. My guess is that kids get back on the field, but I think this has come too late in the game for him to save himself.

I heard a few Seniors who missed out in recruiting this school year are looking to file. 45 states playing ball and all these kids are getting deals, but not the average Cali athlete. The California kids are getting left behind and told by coaches: "I need to see you play live and in person." Plus recruit would like to visit campus as well but can;t visit. Basically, we've all been locked out of the process except the very very best. Not all of us are the best so we need fairness to make it fair for all.

 

[Grace T.]

Masks aren’t “the primary driver’ either. Masks are one of many variables.

Masks, distance, and being outdoors are some of the the variables we can control.

Age, variant, and weather are some of the variables we cannot.

Yeah, but now we are arguing about if we are going to have pepperoni or vegetarian pizza. We are still going to have pizza no matter what we do.

The next step is to figure out how much of a primary driver. My guess is (from all the curves we seen around the world) it's a lot....it's the pizza, not the toppings. So we have to subtract the portion that we can't have any impact on (short of a mass lockdown Australia style which means keeping people separated in their homes). To that remaining portion we have to apply a cost/benefit analysis. E.g., cloth masks indoors for going to the market (marginal benefit for little cost, particularly if you don't force the screaming 3 year olds on airplanes or the autistic kids to wear them); closing schools (very little benefit for an enormous cost). The health experts and politicians didn't do that....they assumed we could get to zero (remember the hits? "masks are better than vaccines"....."lockdown for 6 weeks and it will go away"....."this will be over by summer") and they failed to apply costs (instead just whacking at the low hanging fruit in an effort to do something.

 

[Grace T.]

Good to see he may be coming around. Unfortunate that he has waited until his political career is in possible tatters. My guess is that kids get back on the field, but I think this has come too late in the game for him to save himself.

1.4 million today baby (and several regions are holding back signatures collected but not turned in yet).....need about 100,000 more since Newsom's people will no doubt fall in love with signature verification and hanging chad the thing out of it.

 

[EOTL]

All we have is hope and prayer. Some have hope and wish for luck. Hope plus good vibes works as well. Hope and fairness is all I want. I do pray for peace but that is personal choice. I dont like hate and division. I want love & mercy taught to all. Love others and teach with mercy is one hell of a place to live.

It is God’s will whether or not one dies of Covid-19. So don’t worry about it. Get back to the gym, The bar. Wherever. There is no better way to unify than to get Covid because you don’t care about others and then spread it.

It does make one wonder why he likes the Chinese so much better than Americans though. He isn’t killing any of them.

 

[EOTL]

Yeah, but now we are arguing about if we are going to have pepperoni or vegetarian pizza. We are still going to have pizza no matter what we do.

The next step is to figure out how much of a primary driver. My guess is (from all the curves we seen around the world) it's a lot....it's the pizza, not the toppings. So we have to subtract the portion that we can't have any impact on (short of a mass lockdown Australia style which means keeping people separated in their homes). To that remaining portion we have to apply a cost/benefit analysis. E.g., cloth masks indoors for going to the market (marginal benefit for little cost, particularly if you don't force the screaming 3 year olds on airplanes or the autistic kids to wear them); closing schools (very little benefit for an enormous cost). The health experts and politicians didn't do that....they assumed we could get to zero (remember the hits? "masks are better than vaccines"....."lockdown for 6 weeks and it will go away"....."this will be over by summer") and they failed to apply costs (instead just whacking at the low hanging fruit in an effort to do something.

I love how people think that social distancing is all or nothing. If you lock down completely it works, but if you allow anything, you may as well just allow everything because, you know, the weather.

The simple truth is that the more aggressive the social distancing, the fewer interactions that contribute to spread, the more lives get saved. Period.

 

[crush]

It is God’s will whether or not one dies of Covid-19. So don’t worry about it. Get back to the gym, The bar. Wherever. There is no better way to unify than to get Covid because you don’t care about others and then spread it.

It does make one wonder why he likes the Chinese so much better than Americans though. He isn’t killing any of them.

The folks dying with Corona are not at the gym or bar. Their all alone at the "end of the line" hospice care, where one dies all alone. The other ones all got whacked by a car, a gun, heart burn or had a heart attack or a stroke. Something like that is where the true deaths comes and then if a Doc has a suspension they have the Rona, they get tagged "Rona Death." Next month is our 1 year anniversary of Covid 19 BTW. Can you believe it;s been 11 months of this?

 

[EOTL]

The folks dying with Corona are not at the gym or bar. Their all alone at the "end of the line" hospice care, where one dies all alone. The other ones all got whacked by a car, a gun, heart burn or had a heart attack or a stroke. Something like that is where the true deaths comes and then if a Doc has a suspension they have the Rona, they get tagged "Rona Death." Next month is our 1 year anniversary of Covid 19 BTW. Can you believe it;s been 11 months of this?

Ooh, @crush has gone full Q Covid denier. Amazing how it spontaneously generates in hospice care facilities.

 

[dad4]

Yeah, but now we are arguing about if we are going to have pepperoni or vegetarian pizza. We are still going to have pizza no matter what we do.

The next step is to figure out how much of a primary driver. My guess is (from all the curves we seen around the world) it's a lot....it's the pizza, not the toppings. So we have to subtract the portion that we can't have any impact on (short of a mass lockdown Australia style which means keeping people separated in their homes). To that remaining portion we have to apply a cost/benefit analysis. E.g., cloth masks indoors for going to the market (marginal benefit for little cost, particularly if you don't force the screaming 3 year olds on airplanes or the autistic kids to wear them); closing schools (very little benefit for an enormous cost). The health experts and politicians didn't do that....they assumed we could get to zero (remember the hits? "masks are better than vaccines"....."lockdown for 6 weeks and it will go away"....."this will be over by summer") and they failed to apply costs (instead just whacking at the low hanging fruit in an effort to do something.

Your search for the single cause continues. You won’t find it.

That is because it is a complicated system. There are at least six major variables: age, variant, weather, masks, distance, indoor/outdoors. You don’t get to pick one and ignore the others.

The next step is not to latch onto of those and ask “is this the primary driver?”

The next step is to get with the program.

Mask, distance, outdoors.

 

[Grace T.]

Your search for the single cause continues. You won’t find it.

That is because it is a complicated system. There are at least six major variables: age, variant, weather, masks, distance, indoor/outdoors. You don’t get to pick one and ignore the others.

The next step is not to latch onto of those and ask “is this the primary driver?”

The next step is to get with the program.

Mask, distance, outdoors.

Nah, you can't do that without a cost/benefit analysis of each NPI. Just "get with the program" is what got California in the mess that it's in: doing something without thinking just for the sake of doing something, and as a result causing enormous ruin yet still getting an out of control virus.

And BTW, from a macro point of view, age is not a variable. The age dispersion is a particular population is, but not the age of any particular person. Variants may not be a variable for much longer depending on the breath of dispersion.

 

[TOSDCI]

Good to see he may be coming around. Unfortunate that he has waited until his political career is in possible tatters. My guess is that kids get back on the field, but I think this has come too late in the game for him to save himself.

I wish that were true. I am concerned that voters will forget about all this come election time or sooner if he is recalled. Or they just replace Newsom with someone advocating the same policies. I think it would be difficult to get anyone that does not have a big D by their name elected in California.

 

[Desert Hound]

is what got California in the mess that it's in: doing something without thinking just for the sake of doing something, and as a result causing enormous ruin yet still getting an out of control virus

Instead of creating all the harm to biz, families, kids, CA may as well have just done with FL and TX did.

Just image schools full of kids. Lower unemployment, tax revenue, people not getting wiped out financially. CA screwed the pooch on their lockdown approach.

 

[TOSDCI]

I disagree. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t force it to drink. People in this community take advice from their religious leaders not from corrupt nerds that write biased reports for companies that hate small businesses. You see those reports were put out by liberals because they want you to come work in their factories etc. etc. Many of these folks prefer to pray and “leave it in god’s hand” rather than seek medical treatment. So the fact that there were reports of adverse health effects way back is meaningless if you don’t analyze it in the proper context.

So are you saying that the church leaders are in cahoots with the tobacco industry to keep people addicted to cigarettes? That's messed up!

 

[Grace T.]

Instead of creating all the harm to biz, families, kids, CA may as well have just done with FL and TX did.

Just image schools full of kids. Lower unemployment, tax revenue, people not getting wiped out financially. CA screwed the pooch on their lockdown approach.

I get why the politicians do it, but it still strikes me as fascinating that some health experts and informed people have grabbed a hold of this idea that "something's got to work" and won't let go of it, despite the mountain of evidence building to the contrary.

 

[crush]

Ooh, @crush has gone full Q Covid denier. Amazing how it spontaneously generates in hospice care facilities.

I know more about this then you, that's for sure. I learned from @Desert Hound @happy9 @MacDre @Kicker4Life @watfly and so many others I lost track. My all time fav is @Grace T. T=Trump or Truth? She is my #1 Corona expert here, my sweet Grace. Grace is raw and honest and that's what makes her amazing to me. @dad4 , his math is full of dog sh*t and just wrong and makes me not trust his numbers.

 

[Speed]

I wish that were true. I am concerned that voters will forget about all this come election time or sooner if he is recalled. Or they just replace Newsom with someone advocating the same policies. I think it would be difficult to get anyone that does not have a big D by their name elected in California.

I hope you are right I am fearful that most of those supporting the recall and re election of a more moderate governor have left the state