Let Them Play CA

dad4 said:
When Newsom stands in front of a mob and encourages it to sack the statehouse, you’ll have my signature on the recall petition.

For now, the GOP is doing their best to make people like me into Democrats. And, in states from Georgia to Arizona, it’s working.

Trump is doing to the national GOP what Pete Wilson did to the CA GOP. And you all are so busy shoveling more coal into the boiler you haven’t even noticed the train wreck.
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Putting politics aside (I don't care for either side much), how much more can the state of CA take? Even places like NJ and NY are backpedaling from lockdowns - they don't work and are killing local economies. NJ has resisted imposing more severe constraints - their Governor has listened. NYC is literally deserted. As a business, once you leave the city, hard to come back. Sucks for the local communities. I was in Sacramento in AUG, it was alarming to see the amount of "out of business due to pandemic" signs - and that was in AUG.

And yes, the virus is real, not going anywhere anytime soon, not even with a vaccine. Local economies cannot sit it out. You can't solve local economic issues with handouts. They extend the runway a bit but eventually that runway ends and the cliff appears. Just look around at the empty storefronts.

Emotional voting is human nature but can lead to self destructiveness.
 
EOTL said:
Hey trumpanzees! Check out @happy9 making actual legitimate arguments.

You do know that this particular round of magat craziness started when I said there is no debate that he is trying to save lives even if you disagree with his means and effectiveness. That’s not even the least bit controversial a point. That was followed with a bunch of magat insanity in which a couple trumpanzee conspiracy theorists claimed that he’s actually doing it for personal gain. And that he had an affair. And dinner with a friend. And calling Kamala Harris a whore, because magats can’t help but throw in some gratuitous racism and misogyny. All very compelling proof that magats are incapable of rational debate.

Your legitimate points don’t matter here amd are a waste if time, because magats refuse to even recognize that he’s trying to save lives even - as I said earlier - if you disagree with the means or effectiveness. It is not possible to have a real debate with a magat, so let’s get back to all they’re capable of understanding, which is humiliation and losing.
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You have as much depth as a power point slide. Carry on......magat...blah blah, trumpanzee, blah blah.
 
EOTL said:
When you decide all politicians are only in it for themselves, it makes you part of the problem. There is a huge difference between corrupt politicians who are in it for their own benefit (Cadet Bone Spurs) and those who are not, but with whom you disagree on policies. It is this kind of cynicism that leads people to ignore facts and truth. It is an excuse for you to be intellectually lazy. You don’t want to put in the effort to have legitimate discussions about important policy issues, or figure out what is true and what is Q, so you just claim everyone is the same, everyone is corrupt, everyone is in it only for themselves. You’re just a intellectually lazy and dishonest f**k.
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Trump took a pay cut for the job. You think Senator Biden will donate his salary?

Lazy fuck.
 
EOTL said:
Nope. Holding people accountable for heinous behavior is not bigotry. Bit look at whiny snowflake casting stones ‘cuz he can’t take it. Or take responsibility for his abysmal behavior.
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you cant even hold a job. New York pedo with no kids in soccer
 
EOTL said:
When you decide all politicians are only in it for themselves, it makes you part of the problem. There is a huge difference between corrupt politicians who are in it for their own benefit (Cadet Bone Spurs) and those who are not, but with whom you disagree on policies. It is this kind of cynicism that leads people to ignore facts and truth. It is an excuse for you to be intellectually lazy. You don’t want to put in the effort to have legitimate discussions about important policy issues, or figure out what is true and what is Q, so you just claim everyone is the same, everyone is corrupt, everyone is in it only for themselves. You’re just a intellectually lazy and dishonest f**k.
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Okay, that was hyperbole to say all politicians are in it for themselves, clearly that is not the case. I gave you facts about Newsom that you ignored, but I realize you do not want to hear facts that are in opposition to your view... Your rhetoric gets old and you give no credence to actual facts that contradict your opinion, so I will not continue wasting my time with that.

But you have still not answered the question. Do you think Newsom has your best interest in mind when he is trying to save lives or do you think there is an ulterior motive that will benefit him in the future?
 
happy9 said:
Putting politics aside (I don't care for either side much), how much more can the state of CA take? Even places like NJ and NY are backpedaling from lockdowns - they don't work and are killing local economies. NJ has resisted imposing more severe constraints - their Governor has listened. NYC is literally deserted. As a business, once you leave the city, hard to come back. Sucks for the local communities. I was in Sacramento in AUG, it was alarming to see the amount of "out of business due to pandemic" signs - and that was in AUG.

And yes, the virus is real, not going anywhere anytime soon, not even with a vaccine. Local economies cannot sit it out. You can't solve local economic issues with handouts. They extend the runway a bit but eventually that runway ends and the cliff appears. Just look around at the empty storefronts.

Emotional voting is human nature but can lead to self destructiveness.
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It’s a shame that magats wouldn’t do their part with social distancing when they should have. We could have been much farther along if they’d taken this seriously at any point, instead of constantly whining at Costco about wearing a mask.
 
soccersc said:
Okay, that was hyperbole to say all politicians are in it for themselves, clearly that is not the case. I gave you facts about Newsom that you ignored, but I realize you do not want to hear facts that are in opposition to your view... Your rhetoric gets old and you give no credence to actual facts that contradict your opinion, so I will not continue wasting my time with that.

But you have still not answered the question. Do you think Newsom has your best interest in mind when he is trying to save lives or do you think there is an ulterior motive that will benefit him in the future?
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You haven’t given one fact to support your bs nonsense that he is making social distancing decisions for personal gain. Not one. I’ve heard he had an affair a while back. I heard he had dinner to celebrate a friend’s birthday.
 
EOTL said:
It’s a shame that magats wouldn’t do their part with social distancing when they should have. We could have been much farther along if they’d taken this seriously at any point, instead of constantly whining at Costco about wearing a mask.
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Trump supporters aren't the only ones breaking the rules these days. I'd give you March - July. Now, though, it's everyone.
 
EOTL said:
It’s a shame that magats wouldn’t do their part with social distancing when they should have. We could have been much farther along if they’d taken this seriously at any point, instead of constantly whining at Costco about wearing a mask.
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*could have been farther along*? You are going to blame the opposite political side as to why people have gotten sick? Unless you have stayed indoors, you have put yourself and others at risk, too, ya hypocrite.

It's human nature to be social and visit family. I know people who have passed it from one to another and their political affiliation did not play a part. So stop blaming the 'other side' as to why CA is shutdown. It's not just Trump supporters getting/spreading the virus!
 
EOTL said:
It’s a shame that magats wouldn’t do their part with social distancing when they should have. We could have been much farther along if they’d taken this seriously at any point, instead of constantly whining at Costco about wearing a mask.
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Link to the MAGAT study please. I want to know how they impacted NYC and LA, SF? etc...askin for friend.
 
EOTL said:
You haven’t given one fact to support your bs nonsense that he is making social distancing decisions for personal gain. Not one. I’ve heard he had an affair a while back. I heard he had dinner to celebrate a friend’s birthday.
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I haven't heard you give one fact to support how well he's managing the state of CA. I want to know all about his tidal wave of success bruh..
 
EOTL said:
You haven’t given one fact to support your bs nonsense that he is making social distancing decisions for personal gain. Not one. I’ve heard he had an affair a while back. I heard he had dinner to celebrate a friend’s birthday.
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Dang!!! You are very good at twisting and manipulating the truth...you will be a good politician one day!!
I never said he was making social distancing decisions for personal gain. I told you he has made decisions in the past that have benefited him financially and I gave you a specific one in his passing of marijuana. I then asked you if you thought the decisions he was making was for YOU or because it could some how benefit him in the future...and you have yet to respond to that question.
 
Cruzer said:
*could have been farther along*? You are going to blame the opposite political side as to why people have gotten sick? Unless you have stayed indoors, you have put yourself and others at risk, too, ya hypocrite.

It's human nature to be social and visit family. I know people who have passed it from one to another and their political affiliation did not play a part. So stop blaming the 'other side' as to why CA is shutdown. It's not just Trump supporters getting/spreading the virus!
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Not all of us.

Some of us cancelled our Thanksgiving and Christmas plans. And now we are stuck waiting for numbers to drop back down after the spike that you all created.

In terms of politics, Republicans in congress are contracting covid at roughly 3 times the rate of Democrats in congress. (22% versus 7.7%).

Apparently the virus does care which party gives you advice on distance and masks.
 
dad4 said:
Not all of us.

Some of us cancelled our Thanksgiving and Christmas plans. And now we are stuck waiting for numbers to drop back down after the spike that you all created.

In terms of politics, Republicans in congress are contracting covid at roughly 3 times the rate of Democrats in congress. (22% versus 7.7%).

Apparently the virus does care which party gives you advice on distance and masks.
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In Ventura County, the biggest outbreaks are in the Oxnard and Ventura zipcodes. Not as much in the Los Angeles burbs in the Conejo. The reason isn't because the people in Oxnard were whooping it up on Thanksgiving and Christmas more than the people in the burbs. It's because they've been forced to work while the people in the burbs can continue to zoom work. Yes, there might have been a bump due to the partying, but that's not driving it. If you look at the LA County numbers, for example, positivity was at its highest in the immediate time frame from Christmas to 4 days after new years. If socialization really was the only thing driving this the numbers should be hitting their highs right now (as the infections make their way through families).
 
Grace T. said:
In Ventura County, the biggest outbreaks are in the Oxnard and Ventura zipcodes. Not as much in the Los Angeles burbs in the Conejo. The reason isn't because the people in Oxnard were whooping it up on Thanksgiving and Christmas more than the people in the burbs. It's because they've been forced to work while the people in the burbs can continue to zoom work. Yes, there might have been a bump due to the partying, but that's not driving it. If you look at the LA County numbers, for example, positivity was at its highest in the immediate time frame from Christmas to 4 days after new years. If socialization really was the only thing driving this the numbers should be hitting their highs right now (as the infections make their way through families).
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p.s. In our local neighborhood we've been noticing a lot of temporary closures in our favorite takeout places. There was a burger chain store, a BBQ place and our local Chinese restaurant. VC doesn't publish work outbreaks (they keep saying they'll start any day now). It's weird because the delivery services showed the 3 restaurants open. In at least 1 of the places it turns out it was because of a COVID outbreak among the staff and because the VC rules require restaurants that have such outbreaks to close for a certain number of days. The standard isn't as rigorous for the supermarkets and pharmacies.
 
soccersc said:
Dang!!! You are very good at twisting and manipulating the truth...you will be a good politician one day!!
I never said he was making social distancing decisions for personal gain. I told you he has made decisions in the past that have benefited him financially and I gave you a specific one in his passing of marijuana. I then asked you if you thought the decisions he was making was for YOU or because it could some how benefit him in the future...and you have yet to respond to that question.
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Uh, the Governor doesn’t “pass marijuana laws”dumbs**t. Let’s start with the basics with respect to how government works. People elect legislators. Legislators write and pass laws. The Governor can sign or veto them. And CA has a special stupid initiative process that allows voters to directly implement laws. Here, the voters legalized marijuana by way of initiative process. A number of marijuana-related laws were subsequently written by the legislature, passed by the legislature and then signed by the governor. Or are you saying the majority of the CA legislators are part of the conspiracy to personally benefit the governor? Maybe this goes a lot deeper than we thought. Like DC pizza parlor sex trafficking tunnel deep.
 
happy9 said:
I haven't heard you give one fact to support how well he's managing the state of CA. I want to know all about his tidal wave of success bruh..
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If Californians were dying at the same rate as in AZ, there would be almost 30,000 more dead Californians. I’m not sorry you can’t dine in at Applebee’s right now.
 
EOTL said:
Uh, the Governor doesn’t “pass marijuana laws”dumbs**t. Let’s start with the basics with respect to how government works. People elect legislators. Legislators write and pass laws. The Governor can sign or veto them. And CA has a special stupid initiative process that allows voters to directly implement laws. Here, the voters legalized marijuana by way of initiative process. A number of marijuana-related laws were subsequently written by the legislature, passed by the legislature and then signed by the governor. Or are you saying the majority of the CA legislators are part of the conspiracy to personally benefit the governor? Maybe this goes a lot deeper than we thought. Like DC pizza parlor sex trafficking tunnel deep.
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Okay...now your being a dumbsh** if you can’t contextualize what I’m saying then your ignorance is worse than your rhetoric. Once again you fail to answer questions directly asked of you as you’d rather get caught up in the semantics than the truth!

I will help you...you’ve got the disease boy, but there is still hope for you! Hopefully you will recognize your ignorance when you get a little older

To know that you do not know is the best. To think you know when you do not is a disease. Recognizing this disease as a disease is to be free of it.
 
Grace T. said:
In Ventura County, the biggest outbreaks are in the Oxnard and Ventura zipcodes. Not as much in the Los Angeles burbs in the Conejo. The reason isn't because the people in Oxnard were whooping it up on Thanksgiving and Christmas more than the people in the burbs. It's because they've been forced to work while the people in the burbs can continue to zoom work. Yes, there might have been a bump due to the partying, but that's not driving it. If you look at the LA County numbers, for example, positivity was at its highest in the immediate time frame from Christmas to 4 days after new years. If socialization really was the only thing driving this the numbers should be hitting their highs right now (as the infections make their way through families).
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Socialization isn't the only cause. It’s the avoidable cause.

I know covid spreads at chicken processing plants. Covid also spreads at chicken restaurants. Covid spreads at dinner parties serving the chicken.

Of the three, the last one is completely avoidable. The second can be limited by making full use of takeout and delivery. Only the first should be a major problem.
 
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