Let Them Play CA

[watfly]

CA has some major problems. Start with schools and housing, and move on from there.

Your response is, essentially, "CA, love it or leave it."

That's no way to fix anything.

Philosophically I agree with you, but California has finally "jumped the shark". This last year is absolute proof of that although there are many things that have led up to that.

Affordable housing is a unicorn in California. I was in the business for a couple years and got out of it when you were effectively forced to pay prevailing wage for your projects because of the unions. This adds 20% to your construction costs which basically wipes out the low interest public financing and the tax credits. Further the municipalities still charge the same ridiculously high developer fees. The only one that takes a haircut is the developer.

The California Teachers Union is also why our education is less than desirable. We are a state that is controlled by unions and we were lucky to defeat prop 15 this past year. Ultimately the unions will prevail overturning prop 13, its just a matter of time.

The whole pension debacle is also union driven and why municipalties have trouble providing basic services.

 

[dad4]

Philosophically I agree with you, but California has finally "jumped the shark". This last year is absolute proof of that although there are many things that have led up to that.

Affordable housing is a unicorn in California. I was in the business for a couple years and got out of it when you were effectively forced to pay prevailing wage for your projects because of the unions. This adds 20% to your construction costs which basically wipes out the low interest public financing and the tax credits. Further the municipalities still charge the same ridiculously high developer fees. The only one that takes a haircut is the developer.

The California Teachers Union is also why our education is less than desirable. We are a state that is controlled by unions and we were lucky to defeat prop 15 this past year. Ultimately the unions will prevail overturning prop 13, its just a matter of time.

The whole pension debacle is also union driven and why municipalties have trouble providing basic services.

I said housing shortage. Not affordable housing shortage. Just housing shortage. Too few homes and apartments built every year.

Then, when they tell us to socially distance, we have these pockets where no one can distance because 2 or 3 families are crammed in a tiny apartment.

I can't really blame that one on pensions, CTA, or prevailing wage.

Chances are, your city council helps make the problem worse. Mine, too.

 

[Glitterhater]

We were just talking about the CA housing issue today. We are looking to move, (need more space,) and there is nothing that is a "step up" under 800k- and even then, it's a cookie cutter house, no character, no yard, and very narrow streets- so you have to pull over to let someon go by, (if they are coming towards you.)

 

[watfly]

I said housing shortage. Not affordable housing shortage. Just housing shortage. Too few homes and apartments built every year.

Then, when they tell us to socially distance, we have these pockets where no one can distance because 2 or 3 families are crammed in a tiny apartment.

Same issues, development fees and the entitlement process aka ridiculous regulations. Have you ever tried to develop real estate in California? If you haven't you have no idea how difficult it is to do so. When you add NIMBY neighbors to the equation its even more difficult.

The 2 to 3 families crammed into a tiny apartment has to do primarily lack of affordable housing supply and in some cases, its just cultural. Lack of immigration enforcement is also an element of the problem.

And yes, our city councils share some of the blame, particularly those members that are beholden to the unions.

 

[watfly]

Same issues, development fees and the entitlement process aka ridiculous regulations. Have you ever tried to develop real estate in California? If you haven't you have no idea how difficult it is to do so. When you add NIMBY neighbors to the equation its even more difficult.

The 2 to 3 families crammed into a tiny apartment has to do primarily lack of affordable housing supply and in some cases, its just cultural. Lack of immigration enforcement is also an element of the problem.

And yes, our city councils share some of the blame, particularly those members that are beholden to the unions.

You also have to understand that the anti-landlord attitude in California doesn't exactly motivate developers. The absurd eviction moratorium isn't helping the RE situation either.

 

[Grace T.]

Same issues, development fees and the entitlement process aka ridiculous regulations. Have you ever tried to develop real estate in California? If you haven't you have no idea how difficult it is to do so. When you add NIMBY neighbors to the equation its even more difficult.

The 2 to 3 families crammed into a tiny apartment has to do primarily lack of affordable housing supply and in some cases, its just cultural. Lack of immigration enforcement is also an element of the problem.

child care/elder care too. Working class families can’t afford day care (not even someone in the house next door has a pod of kids in their basement day care) particularly with irregular essential worker hours. If grandma is going to take care of the kids full time she may as well stay to reduce costs...trade off is when they get too old the teenagers take care of grandma. Grandma also helps with the cooking (cobra Kai has a pretty good typical portrayal). Problem is essential worker mom or dad then brings the bug home to grandma and grandma can’t shelter in place alone (like my or the in laws folks) because she can’t afford a house alone, has to watch the kids (who aren’t in school) and will need to be taken care of later anyways.

It’s one of the big problems too with working class kids and club sports. They aren’t on campus in walking distance, grandma doesn’t drive or even have a car, parents work so coach has to pick up or they can’t come. My younger once tried out for an all Latino team....didn’t work out...practice kept getting cancelled when the coach’s car broke down and he couldn’t pick up 1/2 the team.

 

[Glitterhater]

Same issues, development fees and the entitlement process aka ridiculous regulations. Have you ever tried to develop real estate in California? If you haven't you have no idea how difficult it is to do so. When you add NIMBY neighbors to the equation its even more difficult.

The 2 to 3 families crammed into a tiny apartment has to do primarily lack of affordable housing supply and in some cases, its just cultural. Lack of immigration enforcement is also an element of the problem.

And yes, our city councils share some of the blame, particularly those members that are beholden to the unions.

Dare I ask what "NIMBY" neighbors are?

The house directly accross from us is a Pakistani family. Their house is not big and they regularly have 10-12 people living there depending on who's her and who is back in Pakistan. They converted their single car garage into a kitchen because of the strong spices they use, (that's what the Grandpa told me.) He said that their food is too pungent to cook inside. I believe it, on a 110 degree day you can smell it from our yard.

I have always thought man, if someone in that house got COVID, it would be so easy for it to run through the entire house.

 

[watfly]

Dare I ask what "NIMBY" neighbors are?

The house directly accross from us is a Pakistani family. Their house is not big and they regularly have 10-12 people living there depending on who's her and who is back in Pakistan. They converted their single car garage into a kitchen because of the strong spices they use, (that's what the Grandpa told me.) He said that their food is too pungent to cook inside. I believe it, on a 110 degree day you can smell it from our yard.

I have always thought man, if someone in that house got COVID, it would be so easy for it to run through the entire house.

NIMBY=Not In My BackYard meaning don't put "that" in my neighborhood.

Good luck with your home search, the prices can be discouraging.

 

[Glitterhater]

NIMBY=Not In My BackYard meaning don't put "that" in my neighborhood.

Good luck with your home search, the prices can be discouraging.

Ahh, yes, ok. I can imagine that makes building/developing tough.

Thanks! It's been very discouraging- it boggles my mind when people are willing to pay a milllion dollars for nothing special. Close proximity to the Bay Area I think is what's doing it.

 

[Grace T.]

In Los Angeles, the Virus Is Pummeling Those Who Can Least Afford to Fall Ill (Published 2021)

Los Angeles County is one of the worst Covid-19 hotspots in the country. See how hard Angelenos have been hit, neighborhood by neighborhood.

www.nytimes.com

 

[dad4]

Same issues, development fees and the entitlement process aka ridiculous regulations. Have you ever tried to develop real estate in California? If you haven't you have no idea how difficult it is to do so. When you add NIMBY neighbors to the equation its even more difficult.

The 2 to 3 families crammed into a tiny apartment has to do primarily lack of affordable housing supply and in some cases, its just cultural. Lack of immigration enforcement is also an element of the problem.

And yes, our city councils share some of the blame, particularly those members that are beholden to the unions.

I’ve been on a city council.

Unions are to blame for pension debt, prevailing wage, and ridiculous staffing requirements. But they are not to blame for the housing shortage.

The housing shortage is caused by local homeowners who pack the council chambers in opposition whenever someone tries to build significant amounts of new housing.

 

[happy9]

And back to the lock down, awesome governor, highest taxes, choking business regulations, biggest homeless problem in America, failing public schools, worst roads and traffic and a year of no soccer or sports for the kids. Been there, done that…enjoy the space.

Yea, that about sums it up. Nice place to vacation though.

 

[happy9]

Californians will eventually ruin things Texas does well, too. Just give it time.

And Arizona, and Utah, and...and...

 

[dawson]

In Los Angeles, the Virus Is Pummeling Those Who Can Least Afford to Fall Ill (Published 2021)

Los Angeles County is one of the worst Covid-19 hotspots in the country. See how hard Angelenos have been hit, neighborhood by neighborhood.

www.nytimes.com

Interesting that the authors fail to comment in their story that for the last 3 weeks new cases in LA County have dropped dramatically. He shows a few graphs for a few cities but makes no comment on the sharp downward trend .

They do give the impression that cases are currently “ soaring “ in LA County and LAC is the “ epicenter of the pandemic “ .

 

[dad4]

Interesting that the authors fail to comment in their story that for the last 3 weeks new cases in LA County have dropped dramatically. He shows a few graphs for a few cities but makes no comment on the sharp downward trend .

They do give the impression that cases are currently “ soaring “ in LA County and LAC is the “ epicenter of the pandemic “ .

Sometimes the world moves faster than the author and the editors.

I think LA has a high fraction of recovered patients and an efficient vaccination program. That is also a good story, but it is a different story than the high case load of 5 weeks ago.

 

[Grace T.]

And Arizona, and Utah, and...and...

already did to nevada

 

[Glitterhater]

Sometimes the world moves faster than the author and the editors.

I think LA has a high fraction of recovered patients and an efficient vaccination program. That is also a good story, but it is a different story than the high case load of 5 weeks ago.

This is very true, (sometimes after an edit, stuff changes.)

If we think logically, and how virus' work, places where population density is greater, and we have multi generational housing, would be the hardest hit places-right? I'm not that familiar with LA but it sounds like these "hot spots" are densely populated? Just musing here, don't mind me.

Which if that is true would explain why being outside (ahem! Sports,) hasn't been an exponential risk.

 

[Grace T.]

This is very true, (sometimes after an edit, stuff changes.)

If we think logically, and how virus' work, places where population density is greater, and we have multi generational housing, would be the hardest hit places-right? I'm not that familiar with LA but it sounds like these "hot spots" are densely populated? Just musing here, don't mind me.

Which if that is true would explain why being outside (ahem! Sports,) hasn't been an exponential risk.

The other factor is that those are the places where people don’t have the option to remote work.

 

[dad4]

This is very true, (sometimes after an edit, stuff changes.)

If we think logically, and how virus' work, places where population density is greater, and we have multi generational housing, would be the hardest hit places-right? I'm not that familiar with LA but it sounds like these "hot spots" are densely populated? Just musing here, don't mind me.

Which if that is true would explain why being outside (ahem! Sports,) hasn't been an exponential risk.

I think it is less about the number of generations per home than the number of essential workers per home.

The hot spots near me are high density, in terms of people per square foot of housing. But they often have a low density, in terms of homes per acre. Think multiple families sharing a single family home.

The Chinese and Indian families near me are often 3 generations, but those neighborhoods haven’t been hit hard. Mom and dad both work by zoom these days, so not a lot of contact.

The hispanic neighborhoods have had a ton of cases. You might have three or four outside the home workers in one house. It doesn’t really matter if it is two families or four bachelors- that’s a lot of connections.

 

[tjinaz]

I think it is less about the number of generations per home than the number of essential workers per home.

The hot spots near me are high density, in terms of people per square foot of housing. But they often have a low density, in terms of homes per acre. Think multiple families sharing a single family home.

The Chinese and Indian families near me are often 3 generations, but those neighborhoods haven’t been hit hard. Mom and dad both work by zoom these days, so not a lot of contact.

The hispanic neighborhoods have had a ton of cases. You might have three or four outside the home workers in one house. It doesn’t really matter if it is two families or four bachelors- that’s a lot of connections.

Yup its that racist Newsom. His policies are killing so many minorities. Its like he is targeting them.... right EOTL... Problem with single party rule. they get all the blame.

Newsom the killer