LA Surf is born

Same car new paint job.
Merged with big club and nothing changed but the kit. Unless the parent club is going to come in revamp the culture, require all coaches have high level license etc, you can expect a lot of the same as usual. That is the truth.
And for the 100th time, IE Surf's 5 year contract with Poppa Surf expired and the club decided to go another way.
Best of luck but don't expect DA, or ECNL in LA if it wasn't there already.
 
Rev234 said:
Same car new paint job.
Merged with big club and nothing changed but the kit. Unless the parent club is going to come in revamp the culture, require all coaches have high level license etc, you can expect a lot of the same as usual. That is the truth.
And for the 100th time, IE Surf's 5 year contract with Poppa Surf expired and the club decided to go another way.
Best of luck but don't expect DA, or ECNL in LA if it wasn't there already.
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Agree, nothing much changes as was the case with Platinum FC going to IE Surf then Legends IE, or most situations with affiliates.

Definitely no guarantees and based on ECNLs get together in Vegas, that landscape will most likely not change for 2019-20 season but I anticipate LA Surf will certainly try to get a platform change for their teams in the near future.

From the SoCal Academy perspective, it gives them just another tool to help get their players recruited, whether a minor bump or significant remains to be seen. Chavez and Villanueva have a good record of placing their kids and have the contacts and relationships to make calls and their recommendations carry weight from what I've seen.
 
Technician72 said:
Agree, nothing much changes as was the case with Platinum FC going to IE Surf then Legends IE, or most situations with affiliates.

Definitely no guarantees and based on ECNLs get together in Vegas, that landscape will most likely not change for 2019-20 season but I anticipate LA Surf will certainly try to get a platform change for their teams in the near future.

From the SoCal Academy perspective, it gives them just another tool to help get their players recruited, whether a minor bump or significant remains to be seen. Chavez and Villanueva have a good record of placing their kids and have the contacts and relationships to make calls and their recommendations carry weight from what I've seen.
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This is totally correct been involved with two mergers with Surf - Anaheim and OC Surf... Nothing changes... really no (very, very rare 1 or 2 --- very special occasions) players play with the mothership...
 
futboldad1 said:
The Socal Academy teams already got accepted into all the big tournaments in the top flights of them so there has to be more to it than that, but I don't know and it could nothing more than a name change.

But Central-East LA has one weak DA club and no ECNL exposure at all so perhaps this move maybe has something to do with that.

I don't have many connects up here but I know a fair few SD Surf peeps and they told me a whiles ago there was news coming in LA just wouldn't tell me what it was exactly. Let me do some digging. Certainly the distances between San Diego, Orange County and Los Angeles would allow for the three clubs to operate within a totally different section of players in DA.
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Can anyone tell me how all the Girls Surf DA teams did this year?
 
West Coast FC to OC Surf (on the boys side) hasn't really done much for us, we were already in ECNL pre-OC Surf. For our team, the club is still runs as WCFC, same people at the top and more or less same coaches, not that that's a bad thing. It's just a new count of paint. Also, I've never seen a boy come out from a Surf affiliate (Anaheim, SGV, Murrieta, and now Mission Viejo, etc.) and train with our ECNL team.

Educate yourself (new) parents, don't believe the marketing and colorful language full of "development", "opportunities" and the like. Go see for yourself, find a coach you like, etc, etc. it's all been said on the forum a million times.
 
Woodwork said:
Competition in that area picked up in the last year or so. Being close to a a couple of these now-surf formerly something else organizations, the standards are still very much set by the local DOC and the individual coaches. But, it does appear that the Surf name helps a lot with recruiting.

The lack of EGSL, however, hurts them going forward on the girls' side.
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The lack of EGSL hurts them going forward? Huh? Are you saying that now that EGSL is now basically worthless (always was in my opinion) or that if it were still on the upward trajectory, they would not be able to participate? Help... While there are some posters who know what they are talking about, I am constantly amazed by the sheer number of people engaging in discussion on these threads that have no idea what they are talking about or completely make sh*t up.
 
I have 2 daughters at SoCal Academy, one has had both Estebans as coaches. I can speak from experience that the development SCA preach is quite special. Players are taught to challenge themselves using their skills, teamwork, and commitment (work ethic) to bring about each player's best potential. We've been with other clubs and I'll be honest, I've never seen the kind of approach they've taken. My girls have been taught to compete in a positive way, not rooting for others to fail or be obsessed with winning at all costs. Indeed we've lost some games to make a point of playing the right way. It was painful at the time, but the lesson had to be learned. Positive competition is about growth, grit, and a commitment to making it to the next level, step-by-step. Each evolutionary step, including this partnership, is part of a growth commitment which will bear fruit inevitably because it is well planned and thoughtfully executed. What's best is it is about the players. That's always been what's special at SCA. If anyone watched the National Cup finals last year between SCA and Legends, yes SCA lost narrowly for one reason or another, the biggest difference between those 2 teams? The SCA team was made up of local girls that grew up and developed together, not an assembly of top players from all over SC to win a title. That is what positive competition is all about, even that narrow loss was a big win for our girls in a big stage for our tiny 4-year-old club. #socalproud
 
Jim Jota said:
I have 2 daughters at SoCal Academy, one has had both Estebans as coaches. I can speak from experience that the development SCA preach is quite special. Players are taught to challenge themselves using their skills, teamwork, and commitment (work ethic) to bring about each player's best potential. We've been with other clubs and I'll be honest, I've never seen the kind of approach they've taken. My girls have been taught to compete in a positive way, not rooting for others to fail or be obsessed with winning at all costs. Indeed we've lost some games to make a point of playing the right way. It was painful at the time, but the lesson had to be learned. Positive competition is about growth, grit, and a commitment to making it to the next level, step-by-step. Each evolutionary step, including this partnership, is part of a growth commitment which will bear fruit inevitably because it is well planned and thoughtfully executed. What's best is it is about the players. That's always been what's special at SCA. If anyone watched the National Cup finals last year between SCA and Legends, yes SCA lost narrowly for one reason or another, the biggest difference between those 2 teams? The SCA team was made up of local girls that grew up and developed together, not an assembly of top players from all over SC to win a title. That is what positive competition is all about, even that narrow loss was a big win for our girls in a big stage for our tiny 4-year-old club. #socalproud
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It sounds like a great environment and something to be very proud of...so help me understand what Surf adds to that? Are they going to sign your teams up for showcases that you aren't able to sign up for yourself? Are they going to contact college coaches that you can't contact by yourself? I am always intrigued by these mash ups. I haven't seen how they help anyone but surf or some coaches. I have had coaches tell me that it helps them a little with recruiting but then that begs the question...are the coaches on board because it makes their job easier? Are they recruiting bodies with checkbooks to increase income? If we use the same team you referenced in your story, how will the mash up help that team? Tell us what you have been told, tell us what you think is the benefit and then tell us what you have seen with your own eyes with other mash ups (there are plenty of examples on these boards with parents that have been through it). However, you can help us all out by separating the different categories so we know if it is what you were told or what you experienced. For example...1. We were told this... 2. I believe this.... 3. People that have been through it say this...

You might be surprised. I might be surprised. One thing that I believe for sure is that you have a great program and I hope it doesn't suffer afterwards. SCA is doing something the big box guys have yet to show they can do. Develop players. Mega clubs fish with a net to get their talent and they continuously cycle through them.
 
JackZ said:
West Coast FC to OC Surf (on the boys side) hasn't really done much for us, we were already in ECNL pre-OC Surf. For our team, the club is still runs as WCFC, same people at the top and more or less same coaches, not that that's a bad thing. It's just a new count of paint. Also, I've never seen a boy come out from a Surf affiliate (Anaheim, SGV, Murrieta, and now Mission Viejo, etc.) and train with our ECNL team.

Educate yourself (new) parents, don't believe the marketing and colorful language full of "development", "opportunities" and the like. Go see for yourself, find a coach you like, etc, etc. it's all been said on the forum a million times.
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Appreciate your feedback.
From a SoCal Acadeny perspective our girls have and will continue to develop under our DOC, Esteban Chavez and all the great coaches we have here. So to answer your question we have found the coaches we like here at SCA. We still have our core group of girls when this started 4 years ago amongst all age group. We already train 3 days a week (2x practice and 3rd day of Technical training with a Coach Chavez). The small feel of a club, our families getting together outside of soccer, personally knowing families outside our age groups, the solid chemistry the girls have within their teams which we all know is very important. SCA is really like one big family, which won't change. We came from a big club prior to joining SCA and the best decision we made was leaving and joining SCA. Mind you that club has DA but we were looking for was the development. What we have at SCA is special and hopefully that won't change besides the name, board members and league (in due time).
 
JackZ said:
West Coast FC to OC Surf (on the boys side) hasn't really done much for us, we were already in ECNL pre-OC Surf. For our team, the club is still runs as WCFC, same people at the top and more or less same coaches, not that that's a bad thing. It's just a new count of paint. Also, I've never seen a boy come out from a Surf affiliate (Anaheim, SGV, Murrieta, and now Mission Viejo, etc.) and train with our ECNL team.

Educate yourself (new) parents, don't believe the marketing and colorful language full of "development", "opportunities" and the like. Go see for yourself, find a coach you like, etc, etc. it's all been said on the forum a million times.
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This seems to be a reoccurring theme: the parent company doing there own thing and affiliates not included much at all but a token training or event once I'm a while.

From the Strikers or Pat's Irvine to the Galaxy very few affliates players on the marquee teams. Seems like they'd rather take transfer(s) or a home grommed team rather than affiliate player(s) if there is a need? no affliate tryouts or much sharing, like the marketing says one thing and they dont follow through on those promosies and things drift apart after the honeymoon is over.
 
I do think that Surf put together a tournament team at some point last year. I think it had Hawaii, San Diego and some other group as part of it. 2005 age group I think.
 
El Clasico said:
It sounds like a great environment and something to be very proud of...so help me understand what Surf adds to that? Are they going to sign your teams up for showcases that you aren't able to sign up for yourself? Are they going to contact college coaches that you can't contact by yourself? I am always intrigued by these mash ups. I haven't seen how they help anyone but surf or some coaches. I have had coaches tell me that it helps them a little with recruiting but then that begs the question...are the coaches on board because it makes their job easier? Are they recruiting bodies with checkbooks to increase income? If we use the same team you referenced in your story, how will the mash up help that team? Tell us what you have been told, tell us what you think is the benefit and then tell us what you have seen with your own eyes with other mash ups (there are plenty of examples on these boards with parents that have been through it). However, you can help us all out by separating the different categories so we know if it is what you were told or what you experienced. For example...1. We were told this... 2. I believe this.... 3. People that have been through it say this...

You might be surprised. I might be surprised. One thing that I believe for sure is that you have a great program and I hope it doesn't suffer afterwards. SCA is doing something the big box guys have yet to show they can do. Develop players. Mega clubs fish with a net to get their talent and they continuously cycle through them.
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Like I said; it is an evolutionary step that is well planned and thoughtfully executed. The coaches were confronted with a challenge to get the players (and coaches) to the next level. This was determined (after careful strategy) as the long term solution, there will be announcements forthcoming, watch this space...
 
El Clasico said:
The lack of EGSL hurts them going forward? Huh? Are you saying that now that EGSL is now basically worthless (always was in my opinion) or that if it were still on the upward trajectory, they would not be able to participate? Help... While there are some posters who know what they are talking about, I am constantly amazed by the sheer number of people engaging in discussion on these threads that have no idea what they are talking about or completely make sh*t up.
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On recruiting. It helps suck some people in. They don't have it anymore so they don't have the little recruiting pitch.

Maybe redirect your anger somewhere more positive.
 
Jim Jota said:
Like I said; it is an evolutionary step that is well planned and thoughtfully executed. The coaches were confronted with a challenge to get the players (and coaches) to the next level. This was determined (after careful strategy) as the long term solution, there will be announcements forthcoming, watch this space...
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What is being promised to you parents as a result of this? You said announcements forthcoming, what are you expecting? ECNL? DA?
 
The better way to look at these "Surf" affiliation/merger announcements is to understand that the "Surf" name has national recognition through the Surf Cup. Also appreciate that the Surf Cup and the Surf Soccer programs are two seperate companies.

  1. "Surf Soccer Club" is owned by San Dieguito Surf Soccer Club (Non-Profit Corp - Jeremy McDonald is the President); and,
  2. "Surf Cup," is owned by Surf Cup Sports, LLC (A For-Profit / Rob Haskell is the Manager).
The two entities are seperate, but share the "Surf" brand as part of an agreement that was entered into years ago. The Surf Cup affiliates with Surf Soccer Club from a sanctioning point of view, but all the profits flow to the LLC's members and not the club.

San Dieguito Surf Soccer Club, does two kinds of deals with clubs:
  1. "Merger" - Where the club is consumed/folded into the corporate non-profit known as "San Dieguito Surf Soccer Club." The players at the merged clubs are playing for San Diego Surf under either the OC Surf (and now) the LA Surf region. These players can be "club passed" back and forth between regions as they are all playing for essentially the same Club.

  2. "Affiliate" License deal where the club remain independently operated from both a DOC and corporate point of view. These clubs are free to rebrand as another club down the road and simply pay a license fee, which is the case with the other 16 Surf National Affiliates (e.g. Murrieta Surf, SGV Surf, Hawaii Surf, etc., etc.) These players cannot be club passed back and forth, as they are playing for a different company/club.
In the case of OC Surf and LA Surf, a "merger" was announced that tells us these clubs are now simply a regional presence of San Diego Surf, thus subject to to the management and oversight of the San Dieguito Surf Soccer Club.

Its all a bit confusing, which is why it works. The Surf brand can open doors and makes a club more marketable over Bob's Soccer Club, which is why clubs enter into these license deals.
 
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