Joe Biden’s First Day Began the End of Girls’ Sports

EOTL said:
Great. Get your buddies like Scotty boy to treat people with dignity and respect, and we’ll talk about my approach.

And stop making up nonsense about fat shaming girls. Look, I get that you’re on the losing end of this argument and don’t have legitimate counter-arguments, but making up lies is really unbecoming. Honestly, I do not agree with how you’re going about trying to make your point, whatever that point is that you’re trying to make.
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Says the most antagonistic insulting person on this entire forum. You make up shit all the time so turnabout fair play.

Heard a great quote today, “it is not our children’s responsibility to protect the community, but the communities responsibility to protect our children.”
 
happy9 said:
Where? Am I missing something? Are there age/weight classes for girls soccer?
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Although policies vary from one jurisdiction to the next, most take safety into account before approving a transgender girl for a sport. The safety claim of course, is hysterical transphobia with respect to sports like swimming or track. It’s also usually just hysterical transphobia in other sports too, since the equivalent of Shaquille O’Neil just hasn’t shown up for a girls basketball tryout, and it doesn’t appear that anyone youth player in any sport in history has been injured by a disparity in size or strength. Regardless, there is flexibility that allows a governing body to take that into consideration if it ever becomes a real issue, instead of just an irrational excuse to hate transgender girls.
 
There is no remedy to make it a fair contest when one participant has had 20nM/L of testosterone for 17 years and the other participant has had 2 nM/L for the same time. The proposed remedy, a 12 month reduction to 9.9 nM/L, still leaves the boy with five times as much performance enhancing drug as the girl has. And the boy also gets to keep the muscle and bone structure he developed while he had even higher levels.

It just is not a fair contest.

Nor does it become a fair contest if you call me transphobic, magat, or bigot. One contestant had access to a large volume of a performance enhancing drug, and the others did not.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Says the most antagonistic insulting person on this entire forum. You make up shit all the time so turnabout fair play.

Heard a great quote today, “it is not our children’s responsibility to protect the community, but the communities responsibility to protect our children.”
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So mean to me. You’re really hurting my feelings.

I didn’t start this thread. I didn’t make the first offensive comment here, or even the second. Is the reason you let them slide and come after me because you’re a bigot?

If you want meaningful and thoughtful discussion, try having it. Try holding everyone who won’t accountable instead of just the person whose point of view you don’t like. It’s not my fault the NCAA, the IOC, the courts, and virtually every youth sports governing body in the US (and every first world country) agree with me. Being right so much is a burden sometimes, but I’m up to the challenge.
 
dad4 said:
There is no remedy to make it a fair contest when one participant has had 20nM/L of testosterone for 17 years and the other participant has had 2 nM/L for the same time. The proposed remedy, a 12 month reduction to 9.9 nM/L, still leaves the boy with five times as much performance enhancing drug as the girl has. And the boy also gets to keep the muscle and bone structure he developed while he had even higher levels.

It just is not a fair contest.

Nor does it become a fair contest if you call me transphobic, magat, or bigot. One contestant had access to a large volume of a performance enhancing drug, and the others did not.
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It’s not fair to treat transgender girls like s**t at everything their entire lives. It’s not fair to prohibit youth sports governing bodies from deciding who gets to participate, subject to real (not fake) safety concerns and constitutional requirements. It’s not fair to violate the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights. If you want to talk about what is “fair”, you need to take everything into consideration, rather than just cherry-picking the issues that support the transphobic opinion you reached at the outset.

Winning and losing a game at the youth sports level just isn’t important. You go to other threads here where everyone talks about how youth sports isn’t about winning and losing, it’s about the mental and emotional growth of the kids - except apparently for those f**king trans girls, they can just go back to being treated like s**t and mocked in all the other stuff they do, ‘cuz we wouldn’t want priviliged little Katy’s feelings to get hurt coming in ninth instead of eighth in a race that no one in America would care about other than a trans girl ran in it. Right?

Slow girls like selina soule the snowflake karen of CT can have their own bracket. It’s called the semifinals. Or the losers bracket. I’m sure your daughter already knows what they look like even without being able to blame it on a trans athlete.
 
Despite EOTL’s comments, powerlifting does not allow people born as male to compete in female divisions.

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They determined that to allow it would undermine fair play. You can still be a transgender powerlifter and life your life as a woman. You just can’t compete in the female division of their events.
 
dad4 said:
Despite EOTL’s comments, powerlifting does not allow people born as male to compete in female divisions.

Transgender Participation Policy | USA Powerlifting

{!{wpv-post-title}!} USA Powerlifting is an inclusive organization for all athletes and members who comply with its rules, policies, procedures, and bylaws. USA Powerlifting is not a fit for every athlete and for every medical condition or situation. Simply, not all powerlifters are eligible to...
www.usapowerlifting.com www.usapowerlifting.com

They determined that to allow it would undermine fair play. You can still be a transgender powerlifter and life your life as a woman. You just can’t compete in the female division of their events.
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Although I disagree with their position, I can understand some of their thinking (not the most meathead parts). Specifically, it is a pastime that is rife with chemically-induced cheating, always has been, and always will. I can see how a transwoman would cause a bunch of bicepy Karens to do illegal things to their bodies that are dangerous. At the professional level, winning is also more important than equality in school. With adults, there is less need for concern about the overall wellbeing of a member of a highly persecuted group.

Thank you for trying to make a point without a bigoted slur or blithe dismissal of legitimate counterpoints.
 
EOTL said:
So mean to me. You’re really hurting my feelings.

I didn’t start this thread. I didn’t make the first offensive comment here, or even the second. Is the reason you let them slide and come after me because you’re a bigot?

If you want meaningful and thoughtful discussion, try having it. Try holding everyone who won’t accountable instead of just the person whose point of view you don’t like. It’s not my fault the NCAA, the IOC, the courts, and virtually every youth sports governing body in the US (and every first world country) agree with me. Being right so much is a burden sometimes, but I’m up to the challenge.
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Sorry you don’t like being treated how you treat others! That’s on you and no one else!
 
EOTL said:
Although I disagree with their position, I can understand some of their thinking (not the most meathead parts). Specifically, it is a pastime that is rife with chemically-induced cheating, always has been, and always will. I can see how a transwoman would cause a bunch of bicepy Karens to do illegal things to their bodies that are dangerous. At the professional level, winning is also more important than equality in school. With adults, there is less need for concern about the overall wellbeing of a member of a highly persecuted group.

Thank you for trying to make a point without a bigoted slur or blithe dismissal of legitimate counterpoints.
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That wasn't their logic. There was nothing in their comments about Karen and her biceps.

They clearly said that allowing trans athletes in women's competitions would undermine fair play.

Which is the point.
 
dad4 said:
There is no remedy to make it a fair contest when one participant has had 20nM/L of testosterone for 17 years and the other participant has had 2 nM/L for the same time. The proposed remedy, a 12 month reduction to 9.9 nM/L, still leaves the boy with five times as much performance enhancing drug as the girl has. And the boy also gets to keep the muscle and bone structure he developed while he had even higher levels.

It just is not a fair contest.

Nor does it become a fair contest if you call me transphobic, magat, or bigot. One contestant had access to a large volume of a performance enhancing drug, and the others did not.
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I think EOTL is supporting Equality over Equity (to the female athletes).
 
EOTL said:
Ok great, so we can agree that all the other magats are full of s**t bigots to the extent they keep making abysmal transphobic comments that you seem to be fine with.

If you don’t believe in stepping on rights to provide rights, great. These sports governing bodies, tempered by the US Constitution, decide who gets to participate. They have decided the rights of transgender girls that have been trampled on in pretty much every regard justify allowing them to play. Who can run in a race or play in a sport is not determined by mother nature or even your god. The “right” to come in last in a 100m rais no right at all.

Middle schools do not impose requirements like the NCAA because a child’s right to privacy outweighs snowflake karen of CT’s hurt feelings about not being able to come in last in a race. At higher levels like pro and NCAA, the importance of winning and losing, combined with the participants being adults, changes that equation.

And as for your fake concern about injuries, it is, well, fake. I am not aware of any person in history being injured by a trans athlete ever. And that is why there are rules in place to address it. The risk of injury among youth football players of different sizes and abilities is far higher, yet nobody care about that.

You can mock me all you want, but I am just telling you what is happening and why. And why your neanderthalic way of thinking that some fundamental law of nature mandates that only biological girls can play sports together, is over. Your only chance is to recognize that these reasons are legitimate, and impose limits where there is a real injury risk, not a fake one like “hurt feelings.”. Youth sports has very little to do with winning and losing.
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EOTL said:
Although policies vary from one jurisdiction to the next, most take safety into account before approving a transgender girl for a sport. The safety claim of course, is hysterical transphobia with respect to sports like swimming or track. It’s also usually just hysterical transphobia in other sports too, since the equivalent of Shaquille O’Neil just hasn’t shown up for a girls basketball tryout, and it doesn’t appear that anyone youth player in any sport in history has been injured by a disparity in size or strength. Regardless, there is flexibility that allows a governing body to take that into consideration if it ever becomes a real issue, instead of just an irrational excuse to hate transgender girls.
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do you watch sports?
 
dad4 said:
That wasn't their logic. There was nothing in their comments about Karen and her biceps.

They clearly said that allowing trans athletes in women's competitions would undermine fair play.

Which is the point.
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Like I said, I disagree with the magat meathead reasons.
 
happy9 said:
There ya go...More reason to completely ignore your opinion on anything. Maybe it's time for you to take on the pull up, burpee, or pushup challenge for the next 30 days.
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So mean. But hey, it looks like you’ve found the one safe space sport for your daughter that prohibits transgender participants. Pretty soon she’ll be asking “Which way to the beach? This way!” Sun’s out, guns out!
 
dad4 said:
There is no remedy to make it a fair contest when one participant has had 20nM/L of testosterone for 17 years and the other participant has had 2 nM/L for the same time. The proposed remedy, a 12 month reduction to 9.9 nM/L, still leaves the boy with five times as much performance enhancing drug as the girl has. And the boy also gets to keep the muscle and bone structure he developed while he had even higher levels.

It just is not a fair contest.

Nor does it become a fair contest if you call me transphobic, magat, or bigot. One contestant had access to a large volume of a performance enhancing drug, and the others did not.
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Question? Are the transgender athletes also required to take estrogen for a year or two? Don't know, does anyone. It seems that would help with fat distribution maybe cause the pelvis to widen, especially if administered at age 13, 14 or 15. Maybe help in the development of breast tissue as well, increase water retention all things nature does to a female body to help grow a human being inside the body to preserve the species. Maybe the intake of estrogen would help to level the playing field in addition to decreasing testosterone levels. Why would that also not be a requirement?
 
Copa9 said:
Question? Are the transgender athletes also required to take estrogen for a year or two? Don't know, does anyone. It seems that would help with fat distribution maybe cause the pelvis to widen, especially if administered at age 13, 14 or 15. Maybe help in the development of breast tissue as well, increase water retention all things nature does to a female body to help grow a human being inside the body to preserve the species. Maybe the intake of estrogen would help to level the playing field in addition to decreasing testosterone levels. Why would that also not be a requirement?
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Doesn’t help with the cellular differences between male and female muscles. Or the height difference. Or the rib cage volume difference. Or the historic muscle mass difference.

Besides, I don’t want to put sports federations in a place to mandate medical treatments. Not really what they are good at.

It is much better to create some good, non-gendered sports opportunities.
 
dad4 said:
Doesn’t help with the cellular differences between male and female muscles. Or the height difference. Or the rib cage volume difference. Or the historic muscle mass difference.

Besides, I don’t want to put sports federations in a place to mandate medical treatments. Not really what they are good at.

It is much better to create some good, non-gendered sports opportunities.
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Much better to do what the NCAA, IOC, and many state youth governing bodies do and have done often for a decade or more. Good sports opportunities in other words.
 
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