Look amigo, if you had a bad experience with him, I can respect that. I’m not saying he’s a great person. Maybe he’s not for everyone. He gets results.
J Serra doesn’t play soccer....
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Look amigo, if you had a bad experience with him, I can respect that. I’m not saying he’s a great person. Maybe he’s not for everyone. He gets results.
Sheriff Joe
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Sounds like Mr Trump.
Soccerfan2
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Except for the “gets results” part.
And that's what all his parents say on the sidelines - win at all costs -doesn't matter how. He definitely wins and that is mostly what people care about that support him. For me, I am raising a strong and confident individual to be successful in the world and that means a woman that doesn't put up with verbal abuse and demeaning threats.
Sheriff Joe
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Then you aren't paying attention.
End of the Line
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Dang. When you put it that way ya Got me feeling like the dude is Braveheart/William Wallace....of soccer
If you want to compare Baker to Scots, I must concede he's probably closer to MacBeth than William Wallace.
String and confident aren’t as phased by abuse. And, you can have the friendliest coach on the planet. He’s only involved for 10 or so years. Your boss has you the next 45-50.
I am not sure what your post is talking about. It's ok to verbally abuse and demean a girl for 10 years because it is only a "short" time? So during the most prominent developmental ages where a girl is forming her core identity for how she will function in the world, let's take one of the most impactful relationship during adolescence and have her tolerate demeaning and verbal abuse because later on she will just be at work for the next 40 years and can then figure out what is right and wrong and try to figure out how to set limits at that time? Again, sounds like a parent that thinks win at any cost because the rest of that doesn't really matter. Development at this age is not just about soccer development but players are developing the rest (their minds and hearts) at that time also
Their bench should have a warning sign “Beware of Flying Clipboards”
It's hard to leave a high school team, especially one at an expensive private school. Mark it up to an educational experience, I guess, as in "There are assholes everywhere, so get used to it".
That’s my point - we all make a choice. That’s coach, club, level of play (to a degree.) I just Don’t understand the hate - not from you, but overall. I don’t fault you for not wanting your kid there.
I do not know the man, but what I have read is that he verbally/emotionally abuses his players. But his defenders say that it is OK since he gets his players into top colleges. Isn't that argument essentially "the ends justify the means?" Maybe it is just me, but it seems that we need to move forward as a society where it is not OK for coaches, bosses, people in power, etc.. to verbally or emotionally abuse those in their care. Aren't we as a society saying that it is NOT OK for that kind of behavior in the workplace and in the boardroom, no matter what the results are? why would we tolerate it from a soccer coach!? Those that allow this behavior to go unchecked are part of the problem. Demand better.
So based on your rating of my previous post, we are “dumb” if we chose not to have a Coach that degrades our kids, goes full psyco mode and throws temper tantrums on the sideline?
I just want to know where we stand.
We don’t stand anywhere. I marked it dumb because you assume parents are ok with the behavior or that the behavior exists. But this conversation is old. The guy gets results. Neither of our kids play for him, and neither do most of the people who comment about him or his tactics.
So you say I am “assuming the behavior exists”? Because it does, fact. You are right in that I “assume parents are ok with it”, but that is based on people whom choose to stay with the team despite the behavior.
Thanks for clarifying!
Zerodenero
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I don't have hate for him - actually feel sorry for him that he has to coach in that way and also overall just surprised that parents, especially fathers allow a man to berate their daughters they way he does. It is not an assumption that the behavior exists, it can be witnessed from the sidelines anytime you play against him.