Adama vs mendi.
Growing up, I was told body contact is fine. But after watching the youngers play, not sure anymore. If such a push happens at youth rec level, will it be a foul? Just wondering if standards vary depending on levels of play on when a push is considered a foul.
Err. It’s there in law 12. It’s a physical contact without the use of hands or arms. The question then becomes if it’s incidental or trifling. Your argument that it was aggressive cuts against that.Ive never heard of a charge in soccer.......
Have to LOVE book Referees.....Err. It’s there in law 12. It’s a physical contact without the use of hands or arms. The question then becomes if it’s incidental or trifling. Your argument that it was aggressive cuts against that.
let em play?
Err. It’s there in law 12. It’s a physical contact without the use of hands or arms. The question then becomes if it’s incidental or trifling. Your argument that it was aggressive cuts against that.
let em play?
Shoulder to shoulder contact...looks fine to me.
My dd always putting her body on the line for her teammates![]()
Shoulder to shoulder contact...looks fine to me.
In regards to the Adama challenge...you do not need to raise arms in order for it to be a foul. One cannot ram a person with their shoulder square into the opponent's back.
Yes - that should be a foul anywhere, including in EPL. And IMHO crosses the line into reckless i.e. yellow card.I hope that was sarcasm. To me, that youth clip is an obvious foul and yellow card. If you're playing the ball first, fine. If you're playing the player first and the ball second (or not even playing the ball-- like in this clip), that's a foul.
Err. It’s there in law 12. It’s a physical contact without the use of hands or arms. The question then becomes if it’s incidental or trifling. Your argument that it was aggressive cuts against that.
let em play?
Shoulder to shoulder contact...looks fine to me.
In regards to the Adama challenge...you do not need to raise arms in order for it to be a foul. One cannot ram a person with their shoulder square into the opponent's back.
No foul
My dd always putting her body on the line for her teammates![]()
Yellow just cuts off greens path to the ball. Looks like all she did was shield her and bump her off for possession... no foul in a good physical play imoShoulder to shoulder contact looked ok to me. Her body was even straight up and not leaning when she made contact. That is totally different than hitting/ramming another player directly in the back.
It’s confusing for the refs too and they don’t all agree. The definition of careless is in the law too and is very broad. Pretty much anything that sends another player down can be fit into that definition. But then soccer would be a very boring game filled with constant whistles hence the trifling standard.I just read it. Charging is generally allowed. Charging is only illegal if it is: Careless, Reckless, Excessive. Quote below.
"The act of charging is a challenge for space using physical contact within playing distance of the ball without using arms or elbows.
It is an offence to charge an opponent:
I am trying to sort this out because this is by far the most confusing rule. I hear parents on sidelines telling kids, stop pushing, or complaining to the ref about pushing even when elbows are down.
- in a careless manner
- in a reckless manner
- using excessive force"
Best reply on this thread. Agree 100% on your comments for both film clips.The Traore clip could go either way. Put it this way, if Mendy goes over, he almost certainly wins a free kick. That said the standards for those type of fouls are different in England are different from almost anywhere else.
At the youth level, its a certain foul.
As for the clip with the youth players, clear foul, especially at this age. Just because shoulder to shoulder contact is allowed, doesn't mean a player is entitled to take a big run at it. I'd consider a caution for it too, but would probably decide on a stern talking-to.
To answer the OP's question, the idea of what constitutes a foul definitely changes depending on the standard of play - and even the age of the players. As players get older, they are stronger, and are expected to be able to withstand more pushing than the average 9 or 10 year old. Look at YouTube for examples of physical play in olders, in high school, or at the collegiate/adult level. Even with the higher flights of play (or CRL/ECNL/DA, etc., the standard for a foul is much, much higher.