You are missing FCGS in the White bracket, FCGS could potentially have two teams (Pasadena ECNL and Corona DA). The White bracket looks overloaded compared to the Blue
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You are missing FCGS in the White bracket, FCGS could potentially have two teams (Pasadena ECNL and Corona DA). The White bracket looks overloaded compared to the Blue
vegasguy
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I am saying tier two is setup for less travel for socal.
All qualify for the same national championship and will play at the same level at showcases. If this is the case then why present one better than the other. Guarantee there are tier two teams beating tier one. Not that it truly matters it is about getting better and exposure in the long run.
All qualify for the same national championship and will play at the same level at showcases. If this is the case then why present one better than the other. Guarantee there are tier two teams beating tier one. Not that it truly matters it is about getting better and exposure in the long run.
I see your point but then why not have south and north. FCG, Real So Cal are quite north and Surf in San Diego; these are not for geographic proximity. But your other points make a lot of sense.
Qualify for championship? Thought only 2 teams qualify for that once they reach u18/2003? 2 teams out of 18 is tough. Combined age groups for u18/19.
For socal playing 5-6 teams out of state once each is what the posted above indicates. 3x trips or so is not bad but couldn't you just play at one of the Vegas tourneys once like that showcase one to get in four games on one trip.
Kante
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JP, how would you compare the current non-DA ECNL to CSL Premier or the CRL?
Also, any rumblings on what's happening with Barca, one of the non-MLS DA teams included in the MLS league?
thedudeabides
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US Youth Soccer rankings has consistently demonstrated that CSL premier on the boys side has a higher average composite score for their teams than all of the top flights in the other leagues and yes that includes DA. Promotion/Relegation works.
jpeter
PREMIER
CSL premier was a 11 game fall season + league cup (optional) teams are all over the place but at least in socal for example:
COAST SOCCER LEAGUE 2019 Standings for BOYS UNDER 15 Premier
coastsoccer.us
CRL another 7 games + playoffs but at the complexes over 4-5 weekends.
ECNL 20 odd games in Fall & Spring + ~2- 3 showcases where you play 3 games or so. Kind of a very long break between the fall & spring for socal. Regular fall ends in late Nov but didn't start back up or planned to until late March. Something to do with HS seasons being different cross the county. showcases thet try to match you up with like record teams from other parts of the country but SW seems to do very well in that regard.
Haven't heard about Barcelona academy is the new MLS one but that makes sense but wonder about the geography if they will be others they could play locally? Liverpool (formerly Galaxy OC) academy locally I head was inquiring about this new league.
Kante
PREMIER
got it. competitively, how would you compare/rank ecnl to CSL pre and CRL?CSL premier was a 11 game fall season + league cup (optional) teams are all over the place but at least in socal for example:
COAST SOCCER LEAGUE 2019 Standings for BOYS UNDER 15 Premier
CRL another 7 games + playoffs but at the complexes over 4-5 weekends.
ECNL 20 odd games in Fall & Spring + ~2- 3 showcases where you play 3 games or so. Kind of a very long break between the fall & spring for socal. Regular fall ends in late Nov but didn't start back up or planned to until late March. Something to do with HS seasons being different cross the county. showcases thet try to match you up with like record teams from other parts of the country but SW seems to do very well in that regard.
Haven't heard about Barcelona academy is the new MLS one but that makes sense but wonder about the geography if they will be others they could play locally? Liverpool (formerly Galaxy OC) academy locally I head was inquiring about this new league.
checked out the ysr rankings, and based on teams am familiar with, the dude seems close to right in his assessment. your thoughts?
jpeter
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Tough one don't know many teams anymore but a handful of ones in the oldest age group(s) and haven't followed CRL for many years. My recollections about CRL & CSL might be stale since its been about 5-6 years since ive even seen any of those games.
Ussda is about the only measuring stick im still some what current with for u16+ ECNL is more flexible with how they let clubs run there programs, don't prescribed a certain style of play, formations so more freedom where your not required to necessarily train 4 days a week. Game days are about the same with players bench's, drinks provided by the host.
One measuring stick is how well they attract college coaches and I will say ECNL does a better job of that vs the others mentioned.
Level of play well I'm probably bias but if you value or prefer possession and playing out the back vs direct play, ECNL was a notch below DA but ahead of CSL last time I noticed. CRL seemed slightly better vs CSL in that regard but things may have changed over the years.
The other thing to consider is the combined age groups, ECNL does this for there oldest group like DA did u18(03)/19(02) is combined but CSL is pretty much straight calendar year but they almost run out of older comp in some brackets/groups.
Personally opinion is ecnl probably would only be worth considering up until u17. Past that u18/19 is combined and kids that age have a lot going on in the spring normally. HS seniors are kind of late for recruitment in their final spring but and play seemed to be dropping off for them anyway. Very limited playoffs for that group anyways.
jpeter
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Showcase or tournaments, they can see many teams & players all in one place from all over the country is the main hook.
Only been around for 2 seasons so it's not nearly at big as the girls program or what DA was,. For example there was 80+ college types during the DA playoff, spread out but it was thick with logo clothing everywhere I look practically. The one ECNL event at SD that I attended seemed much more low-key and I didn't even notice half as many scouts but maybe thet forgot to wear those college hats, jackets, or shirts.
vegasguy
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Only been around for 2 seasons so it's not nearly at big as the girls program or what DA was,. For example there was 80+ college types during the DA playoff, spread out but it was thick with logo clothing everywhere I look practically. The one ECNL event at SD that I attended seemed much more low-key and I didn't even notice half as many scouts but maybe thet forgot to wear those college hats, jackets, or shirts.
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Second year was better for sure. The Vegas Event was pretty good. On the gear I saw over those three days was much better than even last years events. It was never 80deep like DA but at one of our 03 matches there were between 15 &20 more than half larger schools. So it is growing. I think the Southwest league will continue to attract attention and grow going forward. Hopefully we are back sooner than later.
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Second year was better for sure. The Vegas Event was pretty good. On the gear I saw over those three days was much better than even last years events. It was never 80deep like DA but at one of our 03 matches there were between 15 &20 more than half larger schools. So it is growing. I think the Southwest league will continue to attract attention and grow going forward. Hopefully we are back sooner than later.
Forgive me, I skimmed this rather quickly but the two tier ECNL you're speaking of is already taking place, and has since this past (current) season. Are you talking about the Boys ECNL now having two tiers? On the girls side, there is already an ECNL for the 1st teams, and ECNL RL for the 2nd teams. So, will this be a new thing on the boys end?
Sidebar, anyone know what is happening with WCFC? I knew of some girls that were planning on heading there for the DA team, It doesn't sound like they are even in the ECNL??
I do like the relegation/promotion the will be implemented in 20-21 for ECNL
This whole situation is crazy and I'm still trying to understand everything as the information slowly trickles out.
One thing is for certain, if and when we are able to return to sports (when it is as safe as possible) the soccer we knew pre-Covid-19 will look much different as far as teams are concerned.
Good Luck to everyone out there with their decisions, etc.
I told all my kids, all of this change means one thing: Continue to work hard, train, be disciplined and enjoy the game and if we stay put (hopefully we will) great, if we end up moving, that's okay too so long as the hard work and commitment continues...
Sorry for babbling only on coffee #1 may need to switch to something stronger pretty soon here...
Sidebar, anyone know what is happening with WCFC? I knew of some girls that were planning on heading there for the DA team, It doesn't sound like they are even in the ECNL??
I do like the relegation/promotion the will be implemented in 20-21 for ECNL
This whole situation is crazy and I'm still trying to understand everything as the information slowly trickles out.
One thing is for certain, if and when we are able to return to sports (when it is as safe as possible) the soccer we knew pre-Covid-19 will look much different as far as teams are concerned.
Good Luck to everyone out there with their decisions, etc.
I told all my kids, all of this change means one thing: Continue to work hard, train, be disciplined and enjoy the game and if we stay put (hopefully we will) great, if we end up moving, that's okay too so long as the hard work and commitment continues...
Sorry for babbling only on coffee #1 may need to switch to something stronger pretty soon here...
Can you please take your ECNL talk to the ECNL forum. This forum is for MLS DA
@watfly Aw crap you're right... my bad it's hard to tell which thread is what.. my eyes are still bleeding from reading the 50 pages of "DA ending" threads hahahahaha
Sorry, let me grab that stronger drink and head back to ECNL thread... and hopefully this post won't lead to any Covid-19 stat battles
Cheers everyone!!
jpeter
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Can you please take your ECNL talk to the ECNL forum. This forum is for MLS DA
Dom migt want a make a new forum. Boys development academy had many members besides MLS.
The new MLS / USYS "elite" league is going to include non-mls teams also so not really that cut & dry.
ECNL does have the own forum but girls & boys are mixed.
For years, MLS DAs wanted to leave the DA to form their own league for the 26 MLS academies teams. The complaint from the MLS DAs was that the non-MLS teams did not offer meaningful enough competition.
What US Youth Soccer is doing is it is just creating a new league with clubs outside the DA, who are not necessarily the most competitive teams. Many of the better former non-MLS DAs already committed to the ECNL. The new MLS/ USYS elite league appears to be just looking for numbers; it is not going to offer more meaningful competition to the MLS academies.
Once again, two separate "elite" leagues just ensures us once again that the best teams are not playing against one another.
thedudeabides
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Not really apples to apples. CSL Premier is pretty strong top to bottom where the bottom of CRL is pretty weak because teams can get a favorable pool or have a lucky weekend and qualify . CRL is also a side league like NPL so I don't really consider it because it draws from all the other leagues. I have analyzed the primary fall leagues (DA, ECNL, CSL Premier, SCDSL Discovery, and Presidio flt 1) and CSL Premier was slightly above DA and ECNL and significantly above SCDSL and Presidio in YSR composite rankings for boys teams at 3 age groups. Interestingly many of the teams that get relegated in CSL Premier are former DA teams that aged out of academy. Instead of earning it over years they get a weak pool in CRL, qualify for premier then struggle. That was a good indicator the DA's were failing in developing quality players.
Aside from all that, people need to stop thinking their letters are better. I am only making a strong statistical and anecdotal case here for CSL because they have been trashed mercilessly by the DA and ECNL snobs when real results painted a different picture. The hard truth is promotion/relegation works because the necessity to win does foster development but it negates the effects of pay to play and politics. Let me say that again, winning and development are NOT mutually exclusive.
What really needs to happen on the boys side is the top 10-15 teams from all the various leagues within a 3-5 hour drive of an MLS team should be invited to compete in a league with that MLS team. It should be a promotion/relegation system with the MLS Academy not ever getting relegated. The other team are there to support the MLS team and they should naturally be near the top because they will constantly be recruiting players from the other teams and bringing them into hopefully a residential academy structure. It's simple and it would work.
jpeter
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Yeah unfortunately some of that. MLS has the facilities, $$, and clout and they sorely need a way to try to recoup some of those millions they spend on youth development. This is one way they think they can get that under control and there is going to be a new solidarity type system put in place and some point.
It's like a merry-go-round... clubs that where put in DA tier-2 didn't like it and wanted to get out so a new league guarantee them tier 1 and the cycle repeats. Just like CSL granted some clubs premier after there da teams aged out or they agreed to bring teams over.
SCDSL seems to be no different they let "new" clubs jump the line. All this does is disillusion existing members which then seek to switch to some other newer league to get better status. The same clubs moving to ECNL did they same sort of thing in DSL. Like version 2 or something.
As far as who committed to what it's up to the players and parents. There is going to be a big shakeup. Just like the clubs that switched leagues players & coaches don't necessarily transfer over and the team are never the same. When a club is in many different leagues like CSL, Crl, Npl, Ecnl, Usl and this new one all at the same time players tend to move around. Some players won't be able to afford travel soccer anymore and without the DA club subsidies (20-30k per team) and travel scholarships it's going to get even more expensive.
In SoCal, I expect the new USYS venture is primarily for the girls DA clubs that aren't going to ECNL. It doesn't look like too many boys DA teams aren't already going to ECNL, the MLS league, or the USL league. If one formed, it seems like it would be San Diego and Arizona-oriented (although it might make more sense for those former AZ DA teams to join Boys ECNL and create a robust AZ section with the pre-existing four Boys ECNL teams in AZ).
Clubs putting DA teams in ECNL (or already had Boys ECNL too)
SD Surf
LA Surf
Real SoCal
FC Golden State
Legends
West Coast (OC Surf)
Pateadores
Strikers
Arsenal
Clubs putting DA teams in MLS operated league (some just rumored)
LA Galaxy
LAFC
LAUFA
TFA
Albion
Nomads
Clubs possibly putting DA teams in USL League
VC Fusion
Unknown and therefore candidates for a possible USYSA Elite league
Santa Barbara
San Diego SC
Murrieta Surf
City San Diego (LA Galaxy SD)
Chula Vista
Arizona DA teams?
Clubs putting DA teams in ECNL (or already had Boys ECNL too)
SD Surf
LA Surf
Real SoCal
FC Golden State
Legends
West Coast (OC Surf)
Pateadores
Strikers
Arsenal
Clubs putting DA teams in MLS operated league (some just rumored)
LA Galaxy
LAFC
LAUFA
TFA
Albion
Nomads
Clubs possibly putting DA teams in USL League
VC Fusion
Unknown and therefore candidates for a possible USYSA Elite league
Santa Barbara
San Diego SC
Murrieta Surf
City San Diego (LA Galaxy SD)
Chula Vista
Arizona DA teams?
vegasguy
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I think the theory is that LV and PHX/TUC are close enough and they are used to the longer travel. Just my thought. We travel to Surf 5.5hrs. Man City etc. For us Phx/Tuc is 6hrs or a 45min flight. You socal people would die being in a car in a desert for that long. That is a joke but there are a lot of complaints about travel. As for why the did what they did in CA is you all are at most traveling 4.5hrs or so. Balanced travel time I guess. If you look now in the ECNL age groups southwest used to be two divisioned prior to their recent change. PHX and RSZ AZ were tops in 03 for the last two years their other teams are quality too. why are they in t2?
As for the Championship qualifying, it was supposed to be the top 5 at 03 this year. Yes at the composite it becomes one but all of that has changed year to year to tweak things. I assume more tweaks to scheduling and qualifying are going to occur.
Again if it is super important to be in a top tier then great. Like I said, I have been happy with the exposure this year and South Carolina would have been really good too. My son loves the league and has friends at most of the teams across the landscape. I hope that continues as we head into what could be his last season.