Is DA done?

[Eagle33]

Looks like they going with 2 tear ECNL.
1st will be their former DA teams and 2nd will be their top SCDSL/Discovery teams. Promotion/relegation between tiers.
2 teams per age group with 6 age groups.
Comparison will be ECNL and EGSL on a girls side.
Nobody knows format or how many games they will play, but looks like scheduling will be done by local clubs DOCs. Most of the games will be local with showcases in Vegas or Phoenix? Driving distance - no flying.

 

[jpeter]

Looks like they going with 2 tear ECNL.
1st will be their former DA teams and 2nd will be their top SCDSL/Discovery teams. Promotion/relegation between tiers.
2 teams per age group with 6 age groups.
Comparison will be ECNL and EGSL on a girls side.
Nobody knows format or how many games they will play, but looks like scheduling will be done by local clubs DOCs. Most of the games will be local with showcases in Vegas or Phoenix? Driving distance - no flying.

Not really some clubs and players will be playing in the MLS league and USL this is more like a expensive scdsl version 2 or something. .

 

[gottouch]

Three divisions for ECNL
BLUE
Arsenal
RSC
FCGS
Strikers
Pats
Surf
10 games - each play each other 2 games

RED - teams from blue play these teams once, red teams play each other twice
Real Salt Lake Arizona
Tucson
Phoenix Rising
Arsenal of Arizona
FC Heat
oops.. forgot one

WHITE - teams from blue play these teams once, white teams play each other twice
Beach FC
Slammers
DMCV Sharks
LA Surf
oops..forgot two

Seems like opportunities for promotion and relegation ...

So what are the other oops...forgot...clubs????

 

[DosEquisGuy]

So what are the other oops...forgot...clubs????

Cali Blue: play each other twice, play red once
RSC, Pats, FCGS, Strikers, Surf, Arsenal

Red: play blue once, play red once, play white once
AZ Arsenal, Phoenix Rising, FC Tucson, RSL Az, FC Heat

White: play each other twice, play red once
Slammers, Sharks, LA Surf, LA Breakers, Legends, Beach FC, West Coast FC

 

[vegasguy]

Not Tiers more like sub conferences. Think SEC east and west in football.
It is how it is right now except with two splits instead of three.

 

[gottouch]

Not Tiers more like sub conferences. Think SEC east and west in football.
It is how it is right now except with two splits instead of three.

Except East and West is broken up by location, not perceived skill level. And are you saying there are two tiers not three?

 

[jpeter]

Not Tiers more like sub conferences. Think SEC east and west in football.
It is how it is right now except with two splits instead of three.

Do you like the new scheduling?

Seems like the out of state teams get the best of scheduling since they get to play all 3 sub conference not just two like the socal ones, less repetition & more teams you don't play so often.

 

[YNWA 96]

Cali Blue: play each other twice, play red once
RSC, Pats, FCGS, Strikers, Surf, Arsenal

Red: play blue once, play red once, play white once
AZ Arsenal, Phoenix Rising, FC Tucson, RSL Az, FC Heat

White: play each other twice, play red once
Slammers, Sharks, LA Surf, LA Breakers, Legends, Beach FC, West Coast FC

You are missing FCGS in the White bracket, FCGS could potentially have two teams (Pasadena ECNL and Corona DA). The White bracket looks overloaded compared to the Blue

 

[vegasguy]

I am saying tier two is setup for less travel for socal.
All qualify for the same national championship and will play at the same level at showcases. If this is the case then why present one better than the other. Guarantee there are tier two teams beating tier one. Not that it truly matters it is about getting better and exposure in the long run.

 

[gottouch]

I am saying tier two is setup for less travel for socal.
All qualify for the same national championship and will play at the same level at showcases. If this is the case then why present one better than the other. Guarantee there are tier two teams beating tier one. Not that it truly matters it is about getting better and exposure in the long run.

I see your point but then why not have south and north. FCG, Real So Cal are quite north and Surf in San Diego; these are not for geographic proximity. But your other points make a lot of sense.

 

[lafalafa]

I am saying tier two is setup for less travel for socal.
All qualify for the same national championship and will play at the same level at showcases. If this is the case then why present one better than the other. Guarantee there are tier two teams beating tier one. Not that it truly matters it is about getting better and exposure in the long run.

Qualify for championship? Thought only 2 teams qualify for that once they reach u18/2003? 2 teams out of 18 is tough. Combined age groups for u18/19.

For socal playing 5-6 teams out of state once each is what the posted above indicates. 3x trips or so is not bad but couldn't you just play at one of the Vegas tourneys once like that showcase one to get in four games on one trip.

 

[Kante]

Do you like the new scheduling?

Seems like the out of state teams get the best of scheduling since they get to play all 3 sub conference not just two like the socal ones, less repetition & more teams you don't play so often.

JP, how would you compare the current non-DA ECNL to CSL Premier or the CRL?

Also, any rumblings on what's happening with Barca, one of the non-MLS DA teams included in the MLS league?

 

[thedudeabides]

JP, how would you compare the current non-DA ECNL to CSL Premier or the CRL?

Also, any rumblings on what's happening with Barca, one of the non-MLS DA teams included in the MLS league?

US Youth Soccer rankings has consistently demonstrated that CSL premier on the boys side has a higher average composite score for their teams than all of the top flights in the other leagues and yes that includes DA. Promotion/Relegation works.

 

[jpeter]

JP, how would you compare the current non-DA ECNL to CSL Premier or the CRL?

Also, any rumblings on what's happening with Barca, one of the non-MLS DA teams included in the MLS league?

CSL premier was a 11 game fall season + league cup (optional) teams are all over the place but at least in socal for example:

COAST SOCCER LEAGUE 2019 Standings for BOYS UNDER 15 Premier

coastsoccer.us

CRL another 7 games + playoffs but at the complexes over 4-5 weekends.

ECNL 20 odd games in Fall & Spring + ~2- 3 showcases where you play 3 games or so. Kind of a very long break between the fall & spring for socal. Regular fall ends in late Nov but didn't start back up or planned to until late March. Something to do with HS seasons being different cross the county. showcases thet try to match you up with like record teams from other parts of the country but SW seems to do very well in that regard.

Haven't heard about Barcelona academy is the new MLS one but that makes sense but wonder about the geography if they will be others they could play locally? Liverpool (formerly Galaxy OC) academy locally I head was inquiring about this new league.

 

[Kante]

CSL premier was a 11 game fall season + league cup (optional) teams are all over the place but at least in socal for example:

COAST SOCCER LEAGUE 2019 Standings for BOYS UNDER 15 Premier

coastsoccer.us

CRL another 7 games + playoffs but at the complexes over 4-5 weekends.

ECNL 20 odd games in Fall & Spring + ~2- 3 showcases where you play 3 games or so. Kind of a very long break between the fall & spring for socal. Regular fall ends in late Nov but didn't start back up or planned to until late March. Something to do with HS seasons being different cross the county. showcases thet try to match you up with like record teams from other parts of the country but SW seems to do very well in that regard.

Haven't heard about Barcelona academy is the new MLS one but that makes sense but wonder about the geography if they will be others they could play locally? Liverpool (formerly Galaxy OC) academy locally I head was inquiring about this new league.

got it. competitively, how would you compare/rank ecnl to CSL pre and CRL?

checked out the ysr rankings, and based on teams am familiar with, the dude seems close to right in his assessment. your thoughts?

 

[jpeter]

got it. competitively, how would you compare/rank ecnl to CSL pre and CRL?

checked out the ysr rankings, and based on teams am familiar with, the dude seems close to right in his assessment. your thoughts?

Tough one don't know many teams anymore but a handful of ones in the oldest age group(s) and haven't followed CRL for many years. My recollections about CRL & CSL might be stale since its been about 5-6 years since ive even seen any of those games.

Ussda is about the only measuring stick im still some what current with for u16+ ECNL is more flexible with how they let clubs run there programs, don't prescribed a certain style of play, formations so more freedom where your not required to necessarily train 4 days a week. Game days are about the same with players bench's, drinks provided by the host.

One measuring stick is how well they attract college coaches and I will say ECNL does a better job of that vs the others mentioned.

Level of play well I'm probably bias but if you value or prefer possession and playing out the back vs direct play, ECNL was a notch below DA but ahead of CSL last time I noticed. CRL seemed slightly better vs CSL in that regard but things may have changed over the years.

The other thing to consider is the combined age groups, ECNL does this for there oldest group like DA did u18(03)/19(02) is combined but CSL is pretty much straight calendar year but they almost run out of older comp in some brackets/groups.

Personally opinion is ecnl probably would only be worth considering up until u17. Past that u18/19 is combined and kids that age have a lot going on in the spring normally. HS seniors are kind of late for recruitment in their final spring but and play seemed to be dropping off for them anyway. Very limited playoffs for that group anyways.

 

[Kante]

on boys ECNL being better at attracting college coaches, is that because of ECNL connections, at their tournaments, because of their reputation, at their games, other?

 

[jpeter]

on boys ECNL being better at attracting college coaches, is that because of ECNL connections, at their tournaments, because of their reputation, at their games, other?

Showcase or tournaments, they can see many teams & players all in one place from all over the country is the main hook.

Only been around for 2 seasons so it's not nearly at big as the girls program or what DA was,. For example there was 80+ college types during the DA playoff, spread out but it was thick with logo clothing everywhere I look practically. The one ECNL event at SD that I attended seemed much more low-key and I didn't even notice half as many scouts but maybe thet forgot to wear those college hats, jackets, or shirts.

 

[vegasguy]

Only been around for 2 seasons so it's not nearly at big as the girls program or what DA was,. For example there was 80+ college types during the DA playoff, spread out but it was thick with logo clothing everywhere I look practically. The one ECNL event at SD that I attended seemed much more low-key and I didn't even notice half as many scouts but maybe thet forgot to wear those college hats, jackets, or shirts.
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Second year was better for sure. The Vegas Event was pretty good. On the gear I saw over those three days was much better than even last years events. It was never 80deep like DA but at one of our 03 matches there were between 15 &20 more than half larger schools. So it is growing. I think the Southwest league will continue to attract attention and grow going forward. Hopefully we are back sooner than later.

 

[Futbol30]

Forgive me, I skimmed this rather quickly but the two tier ECNL you're speaking of is already taking place, and has since this past (current) season. Are you talking about the Boys ECNL now having two tiers? On the girls side, there is already an ECNL for the 1st teams, and ECNL RL for the 2nd teams. So, will this be a new thing on the boys end?

Sidebar, anyone know what is happening with WCFC? I knew of some girls that were planning on heading there for the DA team, It doesn't sound like they are even in the ECNL??

I do like the relegation/promotion the will be implemented in 20-21 for ECNL

This whole situation is crazy and I'm still trying to understand everything as the information slowly trickles out.

One thing is for certain, if and when we are able to return to sports (when it is as safe as possible) the soccer we knew pre-Covid-19 will look much different as far as teams are concerned.

Good Luck to everyone out there with their decisions, etc.

I told all my kids, all of this change means one thing: Continue to work hard, train, be disciplined and enjoy the game and if we stay put (hopefully we will) great, if we end up moving, that's okay too so long as the hard work and commitment continues...

Sorry for babbling only on coffee #1 may need to switch to something stronger pretty soon here...