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Does anyone have any ideas about a league where there is relegation and promotion league?
Coast Soccer League has pro/rel, but it is a league that has lost most of its teams, so it's just a shell of what it once wasDoes anyone have any ideas about a league where there is relegation and promotion league?
Since players are not tied to a team or club from year to year, when a team gets relegated its better players often migrate to a higher-placed team, and teams that get promoted often look to recruit the better players from a relegated team. That reinforces the promotion/relegation judgments in a perverse way.Does anyone have any ideas about a league where there is relegation and promotion league?
As a result the coaches then tend to use short cuts to try and avoid relegation and secure promotion because they know parents will react this way. Those short cuts harm development especially at the earlier ages. These include recruiting taller older faster players to just outrun the other players, booting the ball forward instead of trying to connect passes, having the big legged player boot goalkicks, focusing on tricks in practice and 1v1s instead of passing, teaching boot the ball tactics on shooting to put it over the gk head instead of placement to the corners, etc.Since players are not tied to a team or club from year to year, when a team gets relegated its better players often migrate to a higher-placed team, and teams that get promoted often look to recruit the better players from a relegated team. That reinforces the promotion/relegation judgments in a perverse way.
Looking at it from a different perspective, it's kind of like what happens in the pro leagues that use pro/rel scheme (basically, everywhere except USA) so it imitates the behavior the adults do.
The short cut coach 100% hurt soccer. Boot the ball over the Mids and let the faster and bigger player chase it down for easy goal.As a result the coaches then tend to use short cuts to try and avoid relegation and secure promotion because they know parents will react this way. Those short cuts harm development especially at the earlier ages. These include recruiting taller older faster players to just outrun the other players, booting the ball forward instead of trying to connect passes, having the big legged player boot goalkicks, focusing on tricks in practice and 1v1s instead of passing, teaching boot the ball tactics on shooting to put it over the gk head instead of placement to the corners, etc.
All the thinking in youth soccer (except somewhat in the true academies…though even then they don’t act like Europe) in the us is short term thinking. I don’t see how to break that model within the pay or play system but pro rel makes it worse. Where we should have pro rel is the professional leagues, but we don’t…..The short cut coach 100% hurt soccer. Boot the ball over the Mids and let the faster and bigger player chase it down for easy goal.
Pay for play soccer is real and it's why we're going backwards in a hurry. If you put up $500M for a franchise, you will not lose. If you help sell more franchises, you get a cut in that plus a cut in everything else, like TV deals. I am happy that many of the women can now play full time and not have to work a part-time job. They still have to deal with a Doc or coach trying to date them though. WSL, I think said half of the coaches are dating one of their players. The NWSL had at least 8 or so coaches sexually harassing their players, usually the player trying to make a roster. This takes Pay For Play to another level and it's not good or professional. At the youth level, I think it was said over half of the Docs and coaches were in a relationship with at least one mom. I still remember a GK dd was #2 GK. However, coach started dating the mom of the #2 GK. #2 became #1 and was promoted to starter and the old #1 was regulated to the bench. This is not how Pro/Reg is supposed to go down but that's how SoCal Youth Soccer is being played.All the thinking in youth soccer (except somewhat in the true academies…though even then they don’t act like Europe) in the us is short term thinking. I don’t see how to break that model within the pay or play system but pro rel makes it worse. Where we should have pro rel is the professional leagues, but we don’t…..
The reason pro/rel works at the professional level is because everyone is under contract to play with specific clubs. So while yes if a club gets relegated the players will likely leave the team. Other clubs will need to buy them and pay the club a transfer fee. Which allows the relegated club a chance at getting promoted again. Getting promoted again drives clubs need to find homegrown talent. This also drives the need to develop players faster.All the thinking in youth soccer (except somewhat in the true academies…though even then they don’t act like Europe) in the us is short term thinking. I don’t see how to break that model within the pay or play system but pro rel makes it worse. Where we should have pro rel is the professional leagues, but we don’t…..
My kids never had a coach that did any of that. The closest to any of those was telling the big keeper to take advantage of the fact there is no offside on a goal kick. That's not a shortcut - it's advanced, sophisticated play.As a result the coaches then tend to use short cuts to try and avoid relegation and secure promotion because they know parents will react this way. Those short cuts harm development especially at the earlier ages. These include recruiting taller older faster players to just outrun the other players, booting the ball forward instead of trying to connect passes, having the big legged player boot goalkicks, focusing on tricks in practice and 1v1s instead of passing, teaching boot the ball tactics on shooting to put it over the gk head instead of placement to the corners, etc.
Except that half the refs don't know that rule...My kids never had a coach that did any of that. The closest to any of those was telling the big keeper to take advantage of the fact there is no offside on a goal kick. That's not a shortcut - it's advanced, sophisticated play.
We never encountered that. Isn't that on the referee exam? Restarts where no one is offside -- goal kick, corner kick, and throwin -- are there more?Except that half the refs don't know that rule...
With the build-out line, it's an exceedingly rare occurrence that a striker can lurk in an offside position while an 8 year-old bombs it past everyone, so I don't really see it as a law with much relevance in practice.Except that half the refs don't know that rule...
Maybe now, but they didn't have a build-out line when my son was playing u-little and sometimes the fields were so small and the kids so strong, a team would have to build a wall at kickoff.With the build-out line, it's an exceedingly rare occurrence that a striker can lurk in an offside position while an 8 year-old bombs it past everyone, so I don't really see it as a law with much relevance in practice.