High School soccer in San Diego.

[Surfref]

A couple comments
1. The powerhouse schools that are not doing as well - are these both public and private schools?
2. I would have thought that there would be more cards. Less skilled players=more hacks?

Both public and private. As for the cards, that is what I thought also. It might be because the skill level of all players is closer. You don't have those superstars that the less skilled defenders have to get physical to stop them. Most coaches have been really good at controlling their players.

 

[CopaMundial]

Both public and private. As for the cards, that is what I thought also. It might be because the skill level of all players is closer. You don't have those superstars that the less skilled defenders have to get physical to stop them. Most coaches have been really good at controlling their players.

For the most part, refs have done a good job controlling the game. Also, defenses this year have been more solid than in the past, but that might be because only a few teams have major forwards that can cause much havoc and only a few teams with lots of speed. My DD is complaining that refs are calling the headers wayyyyy too tight and impacting the fun of the game. Since she's good in the air and gets over most players by quite a bit, this is frustrating. Every time she is slightly over a player, they call a foul. Something that would never or very rarely be considered a foul in ECNL. But also, not many of the girls are really challenging for headers the way they would in club. HS is not ECNL or DA level, but some schools, players and coaches have put together some decent squads and style. Will be interesting to see how CIF goes with the rules of who's in and out and who will play who and who has what points. I'm so confused!!!

But, overall, haven't seen too much maliciousness during league. Much more scratching and jersey pulling that club, that's about it. DD is scratched every game, and big ones too. But that's better than late tackles. Only once was she punched in the back, but the other player did get a card and did apologize after the game. Hope it stays civil this second half. We lost one player to concussion and one to clavicle break, but both are back. Just want the girls to have fun and stay healthy, that is all.

 

[Surfref]

.......My DD is complaining that refs are calling the headers wayyyyy too tight and impacting the fun of the game. Since she's good in the air and gets over most players by quite a bit, this is frustrating. Every time she is slightly over a player, they call a foul. Something that would never or very rarely be considered a foul in ECNL. But also, not many of the girls are really challenging for headers the way they would in club.....

I would agree with you about the headers and also note that there are more push calls against the defender pushing the player from behind in the back while they are in the air. The answer to why this occurs is an easy one. The referees see the play from a different angle when the dual system (2 referee) is used. The referee will often see the players more from the side instead of behind like in the three referee system. I definitely catch more of the pushing from behind fouls and headers where the player goes over the top of the other player. The head snapping back and forward (push from behind) and the player being bent/pushed forward (header over the player) are more noticeable in the dual system. In the three referee system the AR would usually see these types of fouls and most AR's will only call the more serious infractions. In the dual system both referees have whistles so the fouls are more likely to be called.

 

[whatever]

TP/CCA game last night - seemed like the ref crew was missing a lot of calls, more than normal. Near the end of the game, both head coaches were, uh, voicing their displeasure with the ref, and each one received a yellow card. Also one of the TP players got a yellow card for removing the corner flag pole before taking her corner kick. That was a new one for me.

 

[coachrefparent]

Also one of the TP players got a yellow card for removing the corner flag pole before taking her corner kick. That was a new one for me.

If no warning was given that's a pretty ticky-tack booking.

 

[tugs]

Yeah, that officiating was pretty suspect. Both sideline coaches got yellows after that one. AR missed goal that crossed the goal line too near end of game. Will be glad when league play starts again.

 

[Fact]

Yeah, that officiating was pretty suspect. Both sideline coaches got yellows after that one. AR missed goal that crossed the goal line too near end of game. Will be glad when league play starts again.

Why glad when league play starts? So you can complain about the same refs?

 

[whatever]

If no warning was given that's a pretty ticky-tack booking.

no warning was given.

 

[Surfref]

Yeah, that officiating was pretty suspect. Both sideline coaches got yellows after that one. AR missed goal that crossed the goal line too near end of game. Will be glad when league play starts again.

95 percent of HS refs also referee club with many of those also refereeing college and adult leagues.

In my game last night both of us refs gave coaches a yellow card. The coach on my sideline got a yellow because his bench players kept yelling. The coach kept telling them to be quiet, but they didn't listen. When someone on the bench yelled something personal at me about my lack of glasses late in the game I gave the coach a yellow card. Under high school rules, if the referee cannot identify which person on the bench dissented then the coach gets the card. I know this coach and knew I would not have to give him a second yellow card. His bench players never yelled at me again.

Unless you are down on the field and looking across the goal line it can be difficult to tell if the ball was actually over the goal line. The angle from the stands or bench area can be deceiving. As a CR I have thought a ball had crossed the line for a goal only to have my AR indicate no goal. I doubted them and later saw a video that indicated the AR was correct. As long as the AR was in position during your game they should have been able to get the call correct.

 

[Surfref]

TP/CCA game last night - seemed like the ref crew was missing a lot of calls, more than normal. Near the end of the game, both head coaches were, uh, voicing their displeasure with the ref, and each one received a yellow card. Also one of the TP players got a yellow card for removing the corner flag pole before taking her corner kick. That was a new one for me.

I would have just told her to put the flag back and not to move it again. Are you sure the yellow was for moving the flag and not for dissent. Refs often hear players dissenting on the field that cannot be heard by spectators. Was she also subbed out after receiving the yellow card?

 

[SoccerLife12]

or profanity.

I’m not sure of all that was going on this past Friday at the Chula Vista HS/Olympian game but I have never seen so many yellow cards given out or just plain bad sportsmanship. There must have been 4-5 yellows issued by the end of the game and most of that was in the last 15 min. The game was pretty even and uneventful most of the game with Chula Vista leading 1-0 first half. Halfway through the 2nd half, Olympian came alive and was dominating and Chula Vista girls were interfering with throw ins and free kicks by immediately standing right in front of players from Olympian. Only wasting time because refs had to ask them to move EVERY SINGLE TIME. And there was more shoe tying and shin guard fixing on every goal kick and throw in. And players lying on the ground by Chula Vista only to get up many many minutes later and be fine. Yellow cards were finally given to the Chula Vista players for the running up and standing right in front of the players and then many more to come after I’m assuming for the foul mouths that were coming from two or three of the players on the field because of calls made? Not sure because a lot of it we couldn’t hear from the stands. There were definitely a lot of angry words heard from the other stands due to extra time the refs added on for the obvious delay in game, especially since the game was tied up by Olympian in that extra time. This crap totally takes away from just enjoying the game regardless of who wins or loses

 

[coachrefparent]

I’m not sure of all that was going on this past Friday at the Chula Vista HS/Olympian game but I have never seen so many yellow cards given out or just plain bad sportsmanship. There must have been 4-5 yellows issued by the end of the game and most of that was in the last 15 min. The game was pretty even and uneventful most of the game with Chula Vista leading 1-0 first half. Halfway through the 2nd half, Olympian came alive and was dominating and Chula Vista girls were interfering with throw ins and free kicks by immediately standing right in front of players from Olympian. Only wasting time because refs had to ask them to move EVERY SINGLE TIME. And there was more shoe tying and shin guard fixing on every goal kick and throw in. And players lying on the ground by Chula Vista only to get up many many minutes later and be fine. Yellow cards were finally given to the Chula Vista players for the running up and standing right in front of the players and then many more to come after I’m assuming for the foul mouths that were coming from two or three of the players on the field because of calls made? Not sure because a lot of it we couldn’t hear from the stands. There were definitely a lot of angry words heard from the other stands due to extra time the refs added on for the obvious delay in game, especially since the game was tied up by Olympian in that extra time. This crap totally takes away from just enjoying the game regardless of who wins or loses

Chula Vista? Gamesmanship, poor sportsmanship, win at all costs? No way.
(Yes, this happens everywhere...)

 

[Surfref]

I’m not sure of all that was going on this past Friday at the Chula Vista HS/Olympian game but I have never seen so many yellow cards given out or just plain bad sportsmanship. There must have been 4-5 yellows issued by the end of the game and most of that was in the last 15 min. The game was pretty even and uneventful most of the game with Chula Vista leading 1-0 first half. Halfway through the 2nd half, Olympian came alive and was dominating and Chula Vista girls were interfering with throw ins and free kicks by immediately standing right in front of players from Olympian. Only wasting time because refs had to ask them to move EVERY SINGLE TIME. And there was more shoe tying and shin guard fixing on every goal kick and throw in. And players lying on the ground by Chula Vista only to get up many many minutes later and be fine. Yellow cards were finally given to the Chula Vista players for the running up and standing right in front of the players and then many more to come after I’m assuming for the foul mouths that were coming from two or three of the players on the field because of calls made? Not sure because a lot of it we couldn’t hear from the stands. There were definitely a lot of angry words heard from the other stands due to extra time the refs added on for the obvious delay in game, especially since the game was tied up by Olympian in that extra time. This crap totally takes away from just enjoying the game regardless of who wins or loses

Remember that in high school soccer there is no add time. The referee actually stops the clock after goals, for cards, injuries and any other reason the referee decides to stop the clock. So that Olympian goal was scored during normal game time. If a team is wasting time, the Referee can always stop time to allow the players to tie their shoes.

 

[Surfref]

I’m not sure of all that was going on this past Friday at the Chula Vista HS/Olympian game but I have never seen so many yellow cards given out or just plain bad sportsmanship. There must have been 4-5 yellows issued by the end of the game and most of that was in the last 15 min. The game was pretty even and uneventful most of the game with Chula Vista leading 1-0 first half. Halfway through the 2nd half, Olympian came alive and was dominating and Chula Vista girls were interfering with throw ins and free kicks by immediately standing right in front of players from Olympian. Only wasting time because refs had to ask them to move EVERY SINGLE TIME. And there was more shoe tying and shin guard fixing on every goal kick and throw in. And players lying on the ground by Chula Vista only to get up many many minutes later and be fine. Yellow cards were finally given to the Chula Vista players for the running up and standing right in front of the players and then many more to come after I’m assuming for the foul mouths that were coming from two or three of the players on the field because of calls made? Not sure because a lot of it we couldn’t hear from the stands. There were definitely a lot of angry words heard from the other stands due to extra time the refs added on for the obvious delay in game, especially since the game was tied up by Olympian in that extra time. This crap totally takes away from just enjoying the game regardless of who wins or loses

Remember that in high school soccer there is no add time. The referee actually stops the clock after goals, for cards, injuries and any other reason the referee decides to stop the clock. So that Olympian goal was scored during normal game time. If a team is wasting time, the Referee can always stop time to allow the players to tie their shoes.

 

[coachsamy]

For the most part the referees had been on point this entire season. Almost every game I attended it was a 2 ref set, which it sucks for them as they have to keep up with the game and listen to the stupidity that the parents have to said. One game last week that I witness only one referee in the game, and I spoke with him to let him know that he did great as it must be super difficult to ref by himself a girls hs game. And he still got verbally assaulted for not making calls that he didn't see and let continuation plays go.

But then every parent out there wants to be like Lavar Ball.

To that lone referee thank you for displaying great knowledge of the game, taking your job seriously, and protecting the kids at all times.

 

[whatever]

I would have just told her to put the flag back and not to move it again. Are you sure the yellow was for moving the flag and not for dissent. Refs often hear players dissenting on the field that cannot be heard by spectators. Was she also subbed out after receiving the yellow card?

She was subbed out. I don't know if she dissented. I know she asked the ref why she couldn't take it out - is that considered dissent?