Hearing in the House re: Youth Sports Crisis


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The article continues to go into some pretty decent detail about the issue, specifically calling out private equity.
 
They are not wrong: the costs for middle class families are large, and the sales pitches often don't align with reality. For the overwhelming majority of kids, the value for youth sports will be solely better fitness and some life lessons, both of which should not require $5000+/yr spending on club sports. People really need to be more realistic with understanding expectations and potential benefits, and it would be great if there were significantly more lower cost options.
 
They are not wrong: the costs for middle class families are large, and the sales pitches often don't align with reality. For the overwhelming majority of kids, the value for youth sports will be solely better fitness and some life lessons, both of which should not require $5000+/yr spending on club sports. People really need to be more realistic with understanding expectations and potential benefits, and it would be great if there were significantly more lower cost options.
Theres all kinds of "significantly more lower cost options" the problem is parents and players look down on them and dont want to participate in sports that way. Ironically this is where youngers coaches go when they're shopping for talent/bodies. Everyone wants to be on the A team to validate that they're good enough and so Parents have something to brag about to relatives or at the country club.

I'm always impressed by the Mexican/Latin leagues. Players just sign up to play and they have scheduled games. Everything is exactly the same as the expensive leagues on the field and play is usually decent. The downside of this kind of league is nobody is stroking your ego with national events, showcases, or whatever.
 
Theres all kinds of "significantly more lower cost options" the problem is parents and players look down on them and dont want to participate in sports that way. Ironically this is where youngers coaches go when they're shopping for talent/bodies. Everyone wants to be on the A team to validate that they're good enough and so Parents have something to brag about to relatives or at the country club.

I'm always impressed by the Mexican/Latin leagues. Players just sign up to play and they have scheduled games. Everything is exactly the same as the expensive leagues on the field and play is usually decent. The downside of this kind of league is nobody is stroking your ego with national events, showcases, or whatever.
Can't get my girls off the soccer plantation. They want to go to every training some coach invites them to. This time of year all these "winter camps" show up. (Just in time for X-mas). The soccer training is 3x the cost of my sons football training.
 
Theres all kinds of "significantly more lower cost options" the problem is parents and players look down on them and dont want to participate in sports that way. Ironically this is where youngers coaches go when they're shopping for talent/bodies. Everyone wants to be on the A team to validate that they're good enough and so Parents have something to brag about to relatives or at the country club.

I'm always impressed by the Mexican/Latin leagues. Players just sign up to play and they have scheduled games. Everything is exactly the same as the expensive leagues on the field and play is usually decent. The downside of this kind of league is nobody is stroking your ego with national events, showcases, or whatever.
The Mexican Leagues have their plug in too. My kid when he was younger went off (and won) rec tournaments in both Mexico and Colombia. Probably the biggest adventure of his life so far. Also one of the motivators of Latino League is the teams are sponsored by Latin American Clubs that do in fact send out scouts to find diamonds in the rough. My kid was invited to a professional trial in Mexico, but the residency requirements as a non-Mexican citizen were way way too onerous to consider. These parents are more delusional because the odds of making a pro Latin American team as a US based Latino even if you can claim dual citizenship are much more remote than D1 college. But there's plenty of kool aid being drunk by these parents...it's just the entry costs are much much lower during entry so Mexico and other Latin American countries can cast a much bigger net. Still, we loved it way more than club or high school and if it wasn't for the college rat race and risk of injury he'd still be doing it. Best learning experience ever without the the pressure of club...can't recommend it enough.
 
Some random thoughts about the article:
1. Private equity is ruining lots of things. It's the reason your dental, airbnb and restaurant experiences have declined. They haven't been able to make much money in the youth athletic space which keeps the situation from being really bad, though it has contributed to the death of small local clubs. The private equity pickleball investment disasters are really funny to read about.
2. The one big point they really gloss over is there is an antitrust issue in many sports with how participation in the top leagues are chosen. It's probably the No.1 cause of the death of local clubs in soccer...parents rush to the clubs that have access to MLSN and ECNL. The others don't have the goods to compete, and that limits consumer choices, which is problematic under the competition laws.
3. The other big point is they gloss over is that the entire system is enabled by college admissions. They don't have athletic scholarships and admission preferences in Europe. Sports aren't taken into account in your college applications. If you want to fix the youth sports system, you have to first fix the college admission system. Even if you aren't a top D1 prospect it trickles down the system, so like that kid complaining on the forums a few months back, you can't even get a high school varsity slot in some programs if you don't letter league. And it's not just sports it impacts: fake charities, debate and math olympic tournaments, mathnasiums and CLC, and even things like dance and chess.
4. We still have AYSO. Many regions can't even form teams after U14. That's not a problem of access. That's a problem of families deciding if I can't be the best and have a shot at my varsity team in high school I don't want to play at all. That's a cultural issue which you don't see in Latino League (though as I write above, they are chasing the koolaid too) The flip side is too many kids want to pull a Sue Heck and just get on a team from trying out without putting in the work: it leads to a weird situation where "I wouldn't want to be on a team that takes someone else like me".
5. Parks and rec is a total red hearing. 20 years ago my niece when she was 4-5 my brother and SIL wanted to put her on a parks & rec pee wee league...they were already struggling with league sign up back then even though AYSO didn't start that young in most regions....she was put on a team only to have it canceled for lack of interest. Parks and rec has been dead for decades now with the 90s being the last hurrah so suggesting parks and rec as a solution is laughable and would only be put forward by someone with their hand out for funding.
6. Congress is worthless. They aren't going to do anything. The fact that Congress is broken is why both D and R Presidents have started ruling by executive decree (even apparently declaring wars now by executive decree). The big pressure point would be action by a state AG against the leagues and colleges but even then too many people would cry if their athletic applecarts are upended: too many hands in the cookie jar including parents pursuing those opportunities for real change (hence one of the factors for reverting back to SY...MLSN only not reverting because FIFA seems to have been clear the academies need to be BY and so they need the cannon fodder on BY too).
 
I'm always impressed by the Mexican/Latin leagues. Players just sign up to play and they have scheduled games. Everything is exactly the same as the expensive leagues on the field and play is usually decent. The downside of this kind of league is nobody is stroking your ego with national events, showcases, or whatever.
Well not exactly, Mexican league plays on crappy fields, players are a mix of good players and out of shape kids. A lot of Mexican Sunday league players play clubs. The league cost is low but you have to pay for team training monthly even if you don’t go and is about $100 a month.
 
Well not exactly, Mexican league plays on crappy fields, players are a mix of good players and out of shape kids. A lot of Mexican Sunday league players play clubs. The league cost is low but you have to pay for team training monthly even if you don’t go and is about $100 a month.
On our team we just chip in for the referee cost. The food vendors at the games make the Mexican League worth it alone.
 
Well not exactly, Mexican league plays on crappy fields, players are a mix of good players and out of shape kids. A lot of Mexican Sunday league players play clubs. The league cost is low but you have to pay for team training monthly even if you don’t go and is about $100 a month.
Meh...even the out of shape kids can ball...they watch (or are forced to watch with their dad) the game so have a better sense of what it's supposed to look like than kids that don't. My kids league was mixed gender and even the girls could ball. One year my son was on both a Latino inner city letter league team and a Mexican league rec team. One of his Mexican league rec team CBs was a tubby kid that my son absolutely loved. The difference he said was that the Mexican League CB wasn't afraid to play the ball or go in for a header, when too often the club players were begging him to serve long instead of to them because that put them under the spotlight if they made a mistake and they'd get yelled at. My son's GK coach came out to one of his club games and said he'd never seen kids more terrified of getting the ball. The Latino leagues wanted the ball and begged for it even in ridiculous situations...they got a chance to experiment and do stupid stuff.
 
They want to go to every training some coach invites them to.
As long as they're doing it out of passion and not FOMO, that's a great thing, unfortunately you're footing the bill!

My son wasn't passionate about soccer so I was let off the hook in high school. My daughter was passionate about dance which makes club soccer look down right affordable. Fortunately, football training is relatively inexpensive (I guess unless you're a quarterback) and there are far more college opportunities to mitigate tuition.
 
Some random thoughts about the article:
1. Private equity is ruining lots of things. It's the reason your dental, airbnb and restaurant experiences have declined. They haven't been able to make much money in the youth athletic space which keeps the situation from being really bad, though it has contributed to the death of small local clubs. The private equity pickleball investment disasters are really funny to read about.
A PE company just signed a $500 mm deal to operate a for-profit entity to handle the financial side of University of Utah athletics. This is going to open the floodgates. I would expect schools like Notre Dame to sign multi-billion dollar deals for its athletic programs.
 
Meh...even the out of shape kids can ball...they watch (or are forced to watch with their dad) the game so have a better sense of what it's supposed to look like than kids that don't. My kids league was mixed gender and even the girls could ball. One year my son was on both a Latino inner city letter league team and a Mexican league rec team. One of his Mexican league rec team CBs was a tubby kid that my son absolutely loved. The difference he said was that the Mexican League CB wasn't afraid to play the ball or go in for a header, when too often the club players were begging him to serve long instead of to them because that put them under the spotlight if they made a mistake and they'd get yelled at. My son's GK coach came out to one of his club games and said he'd never seen kids more terrified of getting the ball. The Latino leagues wanted the ball and begged for it even in ridiculous situations...they got a chance to experiment and do stupid stuff.
Mexican league is a good and cheap way to get extra touches, and free play if the coach lets you. The best teams in the Mexican league are full of club players who go there to do stupid stuff. ;)
 
A PE company just signed a $500 mm deal to operate a for-profit entity to handle the financial side of University of Utah athletics. This is going to open the floodgates. I would expect schools like Notre Dame to sign multi-billion dollar deals for its athletic programs.
I saw that as well.

Once PE owns enough of college sports they'll turn it into a mutated form of professional. But, players on the top teams will probabaly get paid a lot more.
 
I saw that as well.

Once PE owns enough of college sports they'll turn it into a mutated form of professional. But, players on the top teams will probabaly get paid a lot more.
It's already there (professional) according to the guy that runs the regional and national kicking camps. D3, D2 and to some extent FCS are the farm leagues for D1/FBS. Even better if you're CC or NAIA because you don't lose any eligibility.

Also look at what a short rope the college head coaches have now, just like the NFL.
 
It's already there (professional) according to the guy that runs the regional and national kicking camps. D3, D2 and to some extent FCS are the farm leagues for D1/FBS. Even better if you're CC or NAIA because you don't lose any eligibility.

Also look at what a short rope the college head coaches have now, just like the NFL.
Interesting about NAIA I didnt know that.
 
I might not be totally correct. Double checking, It looks like its a waiver for 2025-2026 and I don't think it has been adjudicated for future years. Given the JUCO ruling though it wouldn't surprise me if it holds true for NAIA.
I looked it up NAIA time counts against NCAA eligibility.
 
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